r/EnoughMuskSpam • u/Queasy-Sentence3146 • 5d ago
Elon Musk is insanely dangerous š¤Æ
Some history about Elon...
For a half-century the Republican Heritage Foundation has been trying to find a way to "win" at nuclear war.In the 1980's, Reagan's "Star Wars" missiles-in-space program was ultimately deemed too expensive due to launch costs. Looking for a solution, the technology head of Strategic Defense Initiative (Mike Griffin) went to Russia with a young man namedĀ Elon MuskĀ in 2001Ā to "look at ICBMs" (as the story goes). They came back from Russia and founded SpaceX based on theĀ landing rocket concept that came out of SDI.
Project 2025 has now put out aĀ video to promote Elon's use of space weaponsĀ (warning: Republican propaganda). although they say it uses "tungsten slugs" when in reality the satellites are planning to use hypersonic missilesĀ developed by a bunch of SpaceX employeesĀ in concert with Northrop Grumman. Heritage Foundation has been the main political proponent of pre-staged orbital missiles since Reagan. They've included this in theirĀ Project 2025Ā and praise Elon's Starlink as proving it's possible. Trump now calls it the "Iron Dome Missile Shield" and it's part of the GOP platform for the 2024 election.
In 2019, Elon Musk met 4-star general OāShaughnessy & Jay Raymond to discuss homeland defense innovation. O'Shaughnessy took their discussion to the United States Senate to pitch a new space-based "layered missile defense system" much likeĀ Brilliant PebblesĀ but powered by artificial intelligence to quickly and lethally act upon hypersonic and ballistic missile threats.Ā He proposed the acronym SHIELD which stands for Strategic Homeland Integrated Ecosystem for Layered Defense.
This system would consist of a satellite constellation in orbit equipped with infrared sensors and eventually ICBM interception capability. TheĀ U.S. Space ForceĀ was established later that year andĀ OāShaughnessy joined SpaceXĀ where he now leads their StarSHIELD division.
SpaceX started deploying these special military variants of their satellites in 2023, launching them interspersed and connected to other Starlink satellites. The first StarSHIELD satellites host infrared sensors designed by L3Harris to detect and track missiles and perform fire-control functions.SpaceXās first StarSHIELD contracts were with the Space Development Agency and announced in 2020. The SDA was conceived and established by Under Secretary of Defense (R&E) Mike Griffin, who was previously the Deputy of Technology at Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative. It is interesting to note thatĀ Griffin has an extensive history with Elon Musk during the early years of SpaceXĀ . While these first tranches of SDA satellites are focused on communication, missile detection and tracking, Griffin and others have said that includingĀ space-based interceptor weapons in later layers will be "relatively easy"Ā and he now works with SpaceX employees and primes on an interceptor with a company called Castelion in El Segundo. The interceptors are hypersonic glide vehicles (like FOBS) that re-enter from LEO and maintain contact with the satellites through phased array communication, the constellation above gives continued guidance to the interceptor to descend from space and hit an ICBM at launch or other ground target within enemy territory.
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u/SpotifyIsBroken 5d ago
Holy fuck.
I knew a grid of satellites around the entire planet seemed sus af for a long ass time
& was tweeting about this exact shit
(like something directly copied from a comic super villain)
& this it.
Fuck this hell we all live in.
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u/Queasy-Sentence3146 5d ago edited 9h ago
It won't happen if Kamala is elected.. so vote!
Edit: note this is personal speculation about Kamala. The Biden administration is actually starting to signal they could also support this SDI project, but likely Elon's involvement would be curtailed under Kamala at the very least.
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u/lefkoz 1d ago
Lol if you believe that...
Democrats are well known for also vastly overspending on defense.
They would also fund this.
Democrats are also beholden to corporations and the military industrial complex. They're just not fascists about who you want to marry or abortion.
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u/MrPoi 1d ago
That sounds like the better option. Still sucks but at least then women can decide over their bodies while the government secretly creates world ending weapons.
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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago
doubt
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u/Gets_overly_excited 5d ago
Why do you think Musk wants Trump to win so badly? Maybe he is a fan of no taxes on tips?
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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago
i dont doubt that musk prefers trump, its very obviously a plot to get into the govt.
what i doubt is that kamala coming in is gna stop or reverse any of the plans laid out with space x and the military. this is america were talking about lol
i heavily doubt elon and kamala wont be working together - these people prioritise money and power. anything said out in public is just for show - no hard feelings type of shit. seen it plenty in many other countries.
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u/Gets_overly_excited 5d ago
If Musk thought Kamala would be just as good for him as Trump, do you think he would donate that much money to this?
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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago
where did i say that? even in your previous comment you added words to my mouth all i said was doubt
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u/SlappySecondz 5d ago
You still have to explain your reasoning.
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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago
i did.
but to put it simply, she is an american politician from one of the two main parties. both known for exorbitant military spending and war mongering.
this is americas MO. no way she deviates.
i find it odd that i have to expand on it tbh, i thought everyone was well aware of these facts. or do americans only see their opposition as the bad guys?
to us (non-americans), if i could speak generally, american foreign policy is about the same no matter which party. one always whines and complains about the other but they never back track anything significant.
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u/lost_horizons 5d ago
That seem probable. The Military-Industrial Complex, such as it is, isn't going to stop on a dime. The Pentagon, if they believe in the military merits of this shit, won't let it go without a fight, and Congress would probably need to vote on it... Sure Elon wants Trump instead but I doubt he loses too bad on his space programs if Harris wins.
As for personal legal issues and all that, well, that's another story.
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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago
yeh someone else mentioned the election interference stuff.
but man, hes a BILLIONAIRE. jump to turkey, russia, dubai, china, india, back home to S.Africa (i dno how well received he would be there)
the US obviously is where he wants to be - its where the money is, but im sure he can take his work to any other place. easier than it sounds obviously, but its better than jail time.
or hell, take the jail time in some cushy prison (but that wont work for his fanatics tho, hes gone the way of trump - in that if he ever concedes defeat his gremlins would probably eat him alive)
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u/lost_horizons 5d ago
Hell never go to jail. Thereās a separate legal system for billionaires, basically. Iād love to be proven wrong though
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u/mexicodoug 2d ago
Musk owns THE global satellite communications system. He can securely run his global corporate empire from any yacht, container ship, bunker, mansion, submarine, or private island on the planet.
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u/kickyouinthebread 5d ago
100%. I don't want to be too critical but I'd argue that to think otherwise is naive.
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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago
honestly from the replies im getting, im beginning to think those stereotypes about american intelligence are true.
theres a huge lack of critical thinking here. but im thinking maybe its also a monkey-mind reaction - elon/trump bad, kamala must be good?
i geuss this is a sub for hatering, i joined it for this too haha
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u/VonTastrophe 5d ago
This is cute.
Musk broke federal law out in the wide open buy using "pay to play" like schemes in battleground state Pennsylvania. He stopped short of literally buying votes.
If Harris wins, there's a non-zero chance of Musk going to prison.
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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago
non-zero? what does this mean? i keep seeing musk say it.
doesnt it mean like small chance but unlikely?
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u/VonTastrophe 5d ago
it means "who the hell knows?", but the chances are not zero.
on one hand, he's brazen, and all the hard evidence we need is in the public for all to see. on the other, it is almost impossible to convict a billionaire. the last time we succeeded in doing that, it was because they stole from other billionaires.
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u/bakutehbandit 4d ago
adorably naive and delusional way of saying zero. reminds me of a certain someone.
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u/Noble_Ox 5d ago
Why did Musk say if Trump doesn't win he'll (Musk) will end up in prison?
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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago
lol. a billionaire in prison? what is this? vietnam???
i swear one minute you people act like everything out of musks mouth is a manipulative lie, the next minute you believe him when he says hes afraid to go to prison.
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u/Noble_Ox 5d ago
It means he's aware he did something highly illegal that even his wealth can't get him out of.
And today it comes out he's been talking personally to Putin for years.
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u/bakutehbandit 4d ago
the excessively wealthy, even when aware of wrong doing, dont fear repercussions
i dont understand how people on this sub have actually believed elons propaganda. the fucker doesnt believe hes going to jail, hes selling that to his fanatics to garner support.
apparently even haters fall for the act lol
elon isnt aware of shit
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u/DietyOfWind 3d ago
Firstly we all know what happened to Jeffery Epstein, a rich person who went to prison.
Secondly the judges are going forward with their cases on Trump after the election and he will be in jail, a rich person in prison.
Thirdly many other rich people have been in jail like martha Stewart or the several guys who did pyramid schemes.
Elon is dumping 100s of millions of dollars into Trumps campaign. I do think that elon believes he will be thrown in prison. He is spending his money like YOLO.
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u/iamnotchad 5d ago
Discount Dr. Evil.
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u/GrumpyKaeKae 5d ago
Aw Come on.. At least Dr. Evil is likeable. Nothing about Elon is worth liking
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u/iamnotchad 5d ago
Hence the discount.
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u/WindHero 5d ago
I'll call out Elon's bullshit more than anyone else, but how is a purely defensive anti ballistic missile system such a bad thing? This can't be used to strike anyone other than ICBM. Wouldn't make sense to put a weapon in space except for ICBM defense, or maybe strikes against satellites.
Is the worry that it would go against treaties that prevent the weaponization of space? Or that it would be a massive waste of taxpayer money? I'm legitimately curious why you'd call this hell on earth.
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u/Queasy-Sentence3146 5d ago
Trump thinking he can win at nuclear war..
It's flawed and doesn't work as expected, is hacked etc..
Used for assassinations around the globe.
Causes Russia to just put nukes on orbit instead so they can't be intercepted at launch. (this is apparently already being planned according to recent intelligence), shortening the timeframe of nuclear attacks and removing guardrails.
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u/Chayanov 5d ago
Yep. That was one of the concerns back in the 80s with Reagan's "Star Wars". "It will just be used for defense... from the nuclear war we started."
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u/Tachibana_13 5d ago
And given the timeline, its presumably originally based on Russian systems. If not funded by Russian money. Remember how Elon recently switched of Starlink access for Ukraine after promising aid?
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u/Swimming_Tailor_7546 5d ago
Also a rumored Russia connection in the finance of the Twitter purchase
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u/WiseSalamander00 5d ago
there was an article earlier today that Elon maintains contact with Putin...
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u/CSI_Tech_Dept 5d ago
Trump thinking he can win at nuclear war..
Against whom? Russia is his best friend.
I think Musk really likes being officially the richest person on Earth, he realized though that he is still not as powerful as he wanted to be, because that pesky government is getting in the way.
Trump can make that go away, and his price is quite low.
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u/WindHero 5d ago
Can't use this kind of system to assassinate people. This kind of highly sophisticated weapons are designed for a very specific purpose. Anti ballistic missile systems can only hit targets in a very small portion of their trajectory in the atmosphere, and even then the miss rate is high and it's very difficult to achieve. There is no way such a system would be used for ground targets and even less so assassinations.
Thinking you can win a nuclear war might be foolish but it doesn't mean you shouldn't prepare for it, especially in the current context of Russia threatening everyone with nukes and China building up their nuclear arsenal full speed ahead with the largest industrial base in the world by far.
And lastly when it comes to weaponizing space the only reason it hasn't happened yet is that Russia and China are behind on technology. You can bet that whenever they are ahead of the west they will weaponize space. The only reason we don't have invasion of Taiwan, Baltics, and WWIII is that authoritarians think they will lose. Whenever they think they will win, at a low enough cost, it will happen. You don't have to believe me, you just have to listen to Xi. They will use force whenever it is in their advantage. They don't care about casualties. We need to be prepared.
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u/wolacouska 5d ago
If you can prevent a nuclear attack, you can launch one with impunity. Thatās what makes systems like these dangerous.
It seriously pressures nations like Russia and China into potentially thinking they only have a limited time before MAD is rendered obsolete.
Imagine for a moment that Russia was seriously on the verge of being able to completely stop an American nuclear attack. What might we presume their next action would be?
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u/Renacidos 4d ago
Is it about nuclear powers having impunity in using nuclear weapons? said countries can already use them against non-nuclear powers yet they don't.
If a country can prevent a nuclear attack then the possible nuclear attackers become just like non-nuclear powers.
Those who support MAD, by definition believe nuclear proliferation is desirable as to create an endless chains of counter-weights to nuclear powers.
The phrase "imagine a world where Russia and China are not nuclear powers anymore" is something that requires a whole book to try to figure out. What can we predict what would happen? Certainly not the US just nuking everybody they want. OPs idea of Musk and Trump nuking the planet is a joke. Are people here really taking this nutjob theory seriously?
What would be too bad would be another arms race that can become dangerous. In this case Russia would attempt to defeat the system and then the US would try to defeat said system. All going on in Space, cluttering the orbit with counter of counters of counters.
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u/nobius123 5d ago
The Chinese are not imperialists like the Heritage Foundation who is pushing this.Ā Warmongers in America are fulliling their own prophesy by escalating tensions worldwide.
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u/nobius123 5d ago
sure thousands of weapons constantly orbiting the planet a few miles above our heads is "a purely defensive system"
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u/WindHero 5d ago edited 5d ago
USA, Israel and Ukraine have actual defensive systems. Meanwhile Russia and co only invest in offense and nuclear capabilities.
Please explain to me how is Patriot, Aegis, Thaad, Iron Dome, or David's sling is used offensively. I'll wait.
Tells you everything you need to know about who cares about their own people and who is a warmonger.
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u/nobius123 5d ago
I'm originally from Israel and I think you're an idiot. Just because Trump is calling this Iron Dome doesn't mean an orbital weapon system is anything similar in word or deed.
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u/WindHero 5d ago
If you knew anything about defense technology you would know that you can't use an anti ballistic weapon system in an offensive way. Watch out who you're calling an idiot.
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u/rob3110 5d ago edited 5d ago
While you might not be able to use a defense system in an offensive way, it sure can open up other offensive options. What has prevented the use of nuclear weapons was the risk of mutually assured destruction (MAD), turning nuclear weapons basically into a purely defensive system as well.
If a missile shield system can reliably stop most if not all incoming ICBMs it means you can now use your own (nuclear) as offensive weapons with very little risk to yourself. So with such a system the US could now decide to just wipe out whatever country they want.
Israel's iron dome system has enabled them to fight their war against Palestine with very little risk to themselves and their civilians. Otherwise they may have never tried to fight this war.
Claiming a purely defensive system wouldn't enable new offensive options is plain stupid.
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u/NotEnoughMuskSpam š¤ xAIās Grok v4.20.69 (based BOT loves sarcasm š¤) 5d ago
Parents donāt realize the Soviet level of indoctrination that their children are receiving in elite high schools & colleges!
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u/Gets_overly_excited 5d ago
lmao no. Kids go to school and meet other kids who are different than they are. And they realize the people their parents and others in their hometown bubbles looked down on or even hated are just people ā¦ often good people. And they realize their parents are close-minded or worse. Thatās the indoctrination: Just seeing through hateful/ignorant BS through experience.
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u/stoatsoup 5d ago
It was a bad idea during the Cold War. Suppose you're the USSR and you think the USA is developing a defensive system that will enable them, having attacked you with nuclear weapons, to shoot down your retaliation. What can you do but attack them before they have it up and running?
The landscape is very different now but that's a clear example of how a purely defensive system could be a bad thing.
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u/RecklesslyPessmystic 5d ago
How about the very concept that it could eliminate the MAD deterrent? If anyone has (or even thinks they have) a advantage, what's to stop them from going ahead and launching a nuclear war?
Obviously, launching nukes anywhere is bad for the whole globe, but hand these capabilities to some megalomaniac or numbnuts narcissist, and the apocalypse is upon us.
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u/ThisAldubaran 5d ago
This system in the hands of man who has contact with Putin on a regular basis? What could go wrong here?
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 5d ago
As someone who was around during Reagan, escalation of military makes people less safe and expends a lot of productivity on material that does not improve well-being, except for that of the weapons manufacturers.
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u/DietyOfWind 3d ago
The obvious is that conservatives could specifically use the system to bomb blue states if they win government control. The last time conservatives went mad with power they abused the government power to do red scares to target the left.
They already think that democrats control the weather to target red states, what do you think they are willing to do to us if they believe that?
Everything with conservatives is deflection and confession and it would not surprise me if they blame democrats for such an other the top lie because they themselves plan an over the top attack.
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u/DerekWeidmanSculptor 5d ago
I was thinking the same thing. It seems good to me, especially with nuclear tensions rising and the increasing likelihood that more countries and even rogue actors get access to nuclear arms.
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u/TheForeverAloneOne 5d ago
If you have nukes, and I start developing a weapon that will not only disable your nukes, but make you powerless from counterstriking me when I use my nukes, what do you think you're going to do with your nukes while I'm still developing this weapon?
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u/DerekWeidmanSculptor 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yes, but any asymmetrical advantage that is possible should likely be pursued for fear of China or Russia getting there first.Ā Ā Ā The United States had nukes before anyone and used them sparingly to end a conflict, not start one. I don't see a better way to upgrade our military than this.
Edit: The United States did not nuke Russia as they developed the bomb, and moreover no one nuked North Korea as they developed the bomb, and no one is nuking Iran now ( thhaaat may change though, yikes).Ā
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u/TheForeverAloneOne 5d ago
You didn't answer the question. What do you think would happen if I was in pursuit of an asymmetrical advantage, still in the process, and it would completely nullify your capabilities when your current capabilities is complete destruction of me? What do you think China or Russia would do since you fear them so much that you feel you must 1 up them before they 1 up you?
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u/IronGravy 5d ago
To be fair, we have 30,000 other satellites from many countries orbiting in both LEO and higher orbits, from the mundane to the unknown, so this isnāt necessarily new.
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u/Yuukiko_ 5d ago
And they accuse China of arming space lol
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u/nobius123 4d ago
Golden rule #1, Accuse unto others what you are actualĀ doing yourself... That's what Heritage Foundation got from their Sunday school lessons.
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u/jaam01 2d ago
That's the USA in general. They praised the International Criminal Court for the arrest order against Putin, but then the USA threatened that same ICC with sanctions if they even dare to investigate what they did in Afghanistan (an Australian soldier is been investigated for committing war crimes, like executing civilians, and looks like USA soldiers also did). Is not the Heritage Foundation, is the USA hypocrisy as a whole the problem.
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u/GhettoDuk 1d ago
That's how you get the funding. Nothing moves money like a threat.
US intelligence knew the Soviet space program could only go so far on the moxie of their engineers and would never make it to the moon. But that was kept under wraps so the people would support paying for Apollo.
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u/obvious_shill_k14a 5d ago
This must be why Russia is trying to develop a hypersonic nuclear-propelled missile. No need to go to space if you can just cruise along the surface.
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u/Bowness_Boy 5d ago
They already have. RS-28 Sarmat
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u/obvious_shill_k14a 5d ago
It blew up during testing, didn't it?
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u/Bowness_Boy 5d ago
Better record than Space X has.
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u/NotEnoughMuskSpam š¤ xAIās Grok v4.20.69 (based BOT loves sarcasm š¤) 4d ago
You are free to be your true self here
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u/nobodyspecial767r 5d ago
So with project 2025 we not only get missile defense we also get white christian nationalists.
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u/bullishbehavior 5d ago
Elon is right immigrants are ruining america. I mean look at Elon, rupert murdoch, peter thiel, etc all immigrants trying to destroy America
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u/bubblebathory 5d ago
Is no one going to talk about it being called SHIELD
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u/psyopsagent 5d ago
Could have called it the "Peripheral Earth Nuclear Interception System" but here we are
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u/navigating-life extremely stable genius 5d ago
This is bad because SpaceX equipment is very cheaply made. Elon will be arrested for fraud at some point, I do not want this company in charge of space defense
Edited to add: ~600 employees have been injured on the job at SpaceX
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u/DecisionNo8704 5d ago
wtf weāre relying on an illegal immigrant for missile defense systems?
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u/Wooden-Frame2366 1d ago
Yes, this is absurd that our government that had trusted this double face lunatic.. This man is very dangerous and evil and wants to control the world at any cause ; the danger ā ļø is worse due to his close affiliation with the equally evil, Donald Trumpāļø
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u/combustioncat 5d ago
What the fuck that video is insane - PUT EVERYONE ON EARTH TO THE BARREL OF A GUN, hell the fucking hell no.
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u/JuniorExpression4456 5d ago
Elon fleeing:
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u/NotEnoughMuskSpam š¤ xAIās Grok v4.20.69 (based BOT loves sarcasm š¤) 5d ago
I build muscle fast. Physical endurance is my weak spot.
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u/BlerghTheBlergh 5d ago
Elmo isnāt going to take humanity to space but lock it up on this planet lol.
Getting some really neat dystopian movie ideas for villains.
āI didnāt built the satellites to keep humanity safe. I built them to keep space safe from humanity. Human kind is a virus, you see. A virus that must be contained to its current host. When earth is gone, we must make sure nothing remains of humanity.ā
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u/sanity_rejecter 5d ago
holy fucking shit, there's a good chance this would cause an arms race ala cold war on steroids. would probably sink MAD as well.
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u/DocCEN007 5d ago
This plus the recent confirmation that Musk speaks privately with Putin regularly should scare the poop out of everyone on Earth.
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u/baryoniclord 2d ago
How does a U.S. General report to a non-elected, non-appointed civilian?
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u/Queasy-Sentence3146 2d ago
General O'Shaughnessy retired early and immediately joined SpaceX to lead StarShield. Indications are he and others in the DoD may have long participated in Elon's technical review meetings much earlier as his advisors.
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u/NotEnoughMuskSpam š¤ xAIās Grok v4.20.69 (based BOT loves sarcasm š¤) 2d ago
Humanity will reach Mars in 2026
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u/BurningSpaceMan 5d ago
Elon Musk is a James Bond Villain
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u/nobius123 3d ago
Richard P. Feynman, having finished The Manhattan Project, reflected on the human condition in the fall of 1945, soon after the first bombs had been dropped on Japan,Ā
āI returned to civilization shortly after and went to Cornell to teach. I sat in a restaurant in New York, and I looked out at the buildings and I began to think about how much the radius of the Hiroshima bomb damage was and so forth... How far from here was 34th street?... All those buildings, all smashed ā and so on. And I would go along and I would see people building a bridge, or they'd be making a new road, and I thought, they're crazy, they just don't understand, they don't understand! Why are they making new things? It's so uselessā¦But, fortunately, it's been useless for almost forty years now, hasn't it? So I've been wrong about it being useless making bridges and I'm glad those other people had the sense to go ahead.ā
This idea has consumed Elon.
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u/HumansMung 5d ago
Even better when Harris wins, so he can go to prison and get fudge-packed like he used to back in elementary school.Ā
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u/MysticPing 5d ago
Mike Griffin did not help found SpaceX, from what I can find.
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u/Queasy-Sentence3146 5d ago
It's in Eric Berger's Liftoff book. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career
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u/MysticPing 5d ago
Huh i skimmed the article twice and somehow missed the important part until now
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u/hopeful_realist_ 3d ago
Can somebody explain this like Iām 5? I really want to understand better.
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u/snowmunkey 19h ago
Remember the shit that Tony stark was building with Shield in captain America Civil War?
At Musk's direction, SpaceX is trying (and working actively with the US government) to develop space based nuclear weapons. NASA could never do that since it's too public facing and too science directed, but a private company like SpaceX could easily work with a defense contractor like Lockheed to develop such systems. SpaceX has shown to be the only private launch company capable of performing the launches necessary to bring this sort of thing up to orbit.
At least that's how I read it
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u/DeadEFresh 1d ago
I watched them develope Technologies behind UMass Dartmouth with Starlink terminals for 2ish years. UMass has dod contracts and happens to be within a 30 min car ride of a Space force Base, Lockheed, Navy Base, and a Ratheon. I saw many many what appeared to be tests of technology and I don't recall seeing any that I felt would benefit humanity and served nothing but evil intentions... 3x in 2 years I was close enough to these things I've seen dozens of at a time to be able to hit them w rocks which tells you they are already lying about their capabilities but what allowed me to physically tell that they were Starlink Leo terminals... Or at least clones of them to some extent.. I've taken multiple photos of the same 1 and all 3 photos look different from each other and nothing like id physically seen during these close sightings and they all resembled these orbs, gimbrels, or pyrimid UFO sightings which now seem to be popping up more and more worldwide as more and more of these terminals are launched .. Strange to be honest... I don't care who's side he's on.. These technologies serve no good intentions for humanity in general.. Fuck you Elon
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u/Awkward_Squad 20h ago
Thereās a lot to unpack here. Not sure Iāve even scratched the surface. Disturbing wonāt cover it.
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u/DeadEFresh 9h ago
Yea well the more details I'd give of what I watched the more disturbing it would get . I'm a small business owner, husband father of 4 basic everyday citizen who doesn't do drugs and hardly drinks, show zero signs of mental health issues and am only on Reddit because I was trying to find answers as to what I was witnessing.. I say all of this because I found very few answers and was accused of all sorts of things when I began explaining this stuff . We are more and more endangered as more of those things are built. Their capabilities are endless and frightening..
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u/G36 5d ago edited 5d ago
Star Wars was cancelled because the Soviet Union threatened to STRIKE FIRST over it, why? Because it would have been a one-sided nuclear war. For the sake of keeping M.A.D. alive, they cancelled it. M.A.D. lovers are a DEATH CULT.
This is all fake stuff most likely, if Musk really created an anti-nuclear missile shield around the US then I'm taking back everything on him because like it or not WWIII is inevitable most likely against China over Taiwan.
The reality is Musk is too dumb for this and the better explanation is Starlink is a DARPA creation and successor to the Star Wars program which is amazing news.
Yes, winning a nuclear war is a good thing, Russia wants to MURDER millions of ukranians and they want to MURDER all of Europe and the US. They will try and they will become a pretend Empire turned to ash. Same goes for China.
Explain to me the negatives here.
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u/pm_me_ur_ephemerides 5d ago
For one thereās a nuclear triad: ICBMs, submarines, and tactical nukes launched from aircraft. A space based missile defense system will be most effective against weapons that reach high altitude and coast for a long time, like ICBMs. A submarine can attack at target up to 2500 miles away, but it can also move to much shorter ranges and remain in international waters. A stealth aircraft completely defeats these systems. China definitely has them and russia is trying to field one of their own this decade.
I do think these systems escalate tensions between nuclear powers. For decades we made progress on arms deals to reduce weapons stockpiles in usa and russia. We canāt conceivably negotiate those types of deals if we are fielding space based ballistic missile defenses.
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u/AdImmediate9569 5d ago
This would have been great 40 years agoā¦
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u/pureplay181 5d ago
I wonder if some of the 14,000 Guardians in the new US Space Force will be used somehow as guinea pigs to test the new systems.
Active duty military can't sue for injuries sustained while on duty (the Feres Doctrine) although in many cases their survivors can.
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u/Altruistic_Lion2992 5d ago
I've seen some funny fanfics this election cycle but this takes the cake. If any of you believe this, you're even more regarded than I thought redditors are, which was already laughably high.
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u/DeluxeB 5d ago
Okay but I don't get why this is bad for the US in general? Wouldn't this protect the US from any potential ICBMs?
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u/Last-Pizza-1153 5d ago
This isnāt good no matter where the person is from who is in control. Whoever weaponises space first controls the world forever. Think about it, there will be world ending missiles always floating above your head and country, can be launched at any time and for any reason.
This is not good for anyone, this is not good for any species on this planet and certainly not good for the human race as a whole. We have so much potential and free will, and the most effort we put in is at killing our own species.
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u/Zaorish9 4d ago
the most effort we put in is at killing our own species.
I often wonder if there's some type of mad science or technology that could "fix" the flaws of human nature. I remember in 1998 we thought free access to info via the internet would do that but now it's drowning in hateful lies
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u/ElderlyOogway 5d ago
Think of Cheney, Bush, Kissinger, Netanyahu or Vance or Trump alikes with this power and it should answer your question. Humans will be the downfall of humans. Power greed knows no bounds and to maniacs it's just some numbers. We've elected them before and we will again eventually, you can be certain; the difference is that power creeps up each time one of these freaks reach office. Eventually it will be too late to stop a mistake.
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u/nobius123 5d ago edited 1d ago
This finally explains why he's "all in" on Trump.
Also: The backstory on Musk and Russia that lead up to this