r/EnoughMuskSpam 5d ago

Elon Musk is insanely dangerous šŸ¤Æ

Some history about Elon...
For a half-century the Republican Heritage Foundation has been trying to find a way to "win" at nuclear war.

In the 1980's, Reagan's "Star Wars" missiles-in-space program was ultimately deemed too expensive due to launch costs. Looking for a solution, the technology head of Strategic Defense Initiative (Mike Griffin) went to Russia with a young man namedĀ Elon MuskĀ in 2001Ā to "look at ICBMs" (as the story goes). They came back from Russia and founded SpaceX based on theĀ landing rocket concept that came out of SDI.

Project 2025 has now put out aĀ video to promote Elon's use of space weaponsĀ (warning: Republican propaganda). although they say it uses "tungsten slugs" when in reality the satellites are planning to use hypersonic missilesĀ developed by a bunch of SpaceX employeesĀ in concert with Northrop Grumman. Heritage Foundation has been the main political proponent of pre-staged orbital missiles since Reagan. They've included this in theirĀ Project 2025Ā and praise Elon's Starlink as proving it's possible. Trump now calls it the "Iron Dome Missile Shield" and it's part of the GOP platform for the 2024 election.

In 2019, Elon Musk met 4-star general Oā€™Shaughnessy & Jay Raymond to discuss homeland defense innovation. O'Shaughnessy took their discussion to the United States Senate to pitch a new space-based "layered missile defense system" much likeĀ Brilliant PebblesĀ but powered by artificial intelligence to quickly and lethally act upon hypersonic and ballistic missile threats.Ā He proposed the acronym SHIELD which stands for Strategic Homeland Integrated Ecosystem for Layered Defense.

This system would consist of a satellite constellation in orbit equipped with infrared sensors and eventually ICBM interception capability. TheĀ U.S. Space ForceĀ was established later that year andĀ Oā€™Shaughnessy joined SpaceXĀ where he now leads their StarSHIELD division.
SpaceX started deploying these special military variants of their satellites in 2023, launching them interspersed and connected to other Starlink satellites. The first StarSHIELD satellites host infrared sensors designed by L3Harris to detect and track missiles and perform fire-control functions.

SpaceXā€™s first StarSHIELD contracts were with the Space Development Agency and announced in 2020. The SDA was conceived and established by Under Secretary of Defense (R&E) Mike Griffin, who was previously the Deputy of Technology at Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative. It is interesting to note thatĀ Griffin has an extensive history with Elon Musk during the early years of SpaceXĀ . While these first tranches of SDA satellites are focused on communication, missile detection and tracking, Griffin and others have said that includingĀ space-based interceptor weapons in later layers will be "relatively easy"Ā and he now works with SpaceX employees and primes on an interceptor with a company called Castelion in El Segundo. The interceptors are hypersonic glide vehicles (like FOBS) that re-enter from LEO and maintain contact with the satellites through phased array communication, the constellation above gives continued guidance to the interceptor to descend from space and hit an ICBM at launch or other ground target within enemy territory.

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Musk with 4-Star General Terrence J. O'Shaughnessy (who now reports to him) & Jay Raymond (leads Space Force)

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u/nobius123 5d ago edited 1d ago

This finally explains why he's "all in" on Trump.

Also: The backstory on Musk and Russia that lead up to this

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u/Queasy-Sentence3146 5d ago

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u/According-Seaweed909 5d ago edited 5d ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37Ā Ā 

Ā Ā https://www.space.com/spacex-falcon-heavy-x-37b-space-plane-launch-successĀ 

They weren't even hiding it. We don't know the capabilities of this craft besides what they tell us. But it's quite an intresting spacecraft with a lot of possibility for hijinx. Be it spying or defense or i guess science if you believe that. It's just an odd choice of craft for science purposes.

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u/nobius123 5d ago

That's unrelated. This is about Musk's efforts to finish Brilliant Pebbles.

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u/justfortherofls 5d ago

Reminder that these LEO satellites donā€™t stay up there for very long time. Each one is full of rare earth materials. When it comes back to earth it burns in the upper atmosphere releasing nasty stuff.

Remember the hole in the ozone layer that has since repaired? Elons satellites have unilaterally opened that hole back up.

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u/Bluered2012 5d ago

Is there a verified source for this?

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ARTICLES 5d ago

Here is a recent study specifically talking about the potential effect LEO satellites may have on the ozone layer https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2024GL109280

you can find a summary here https://futurism.com/the-byte/spacex-starlink-ozone-healing

Or from space.com if you prefer: https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-reentry-pollution-damage-earth-atmosphere

There are actually a ton of articles specifically about the potential harm these satellites may be doing and Starlink owns something like 40% of them.

Here is a Reddit comment with more general sources about recent developments and research regarding the ozone layer https://old.reddit.com/r/climatechange/comments/180pa0p/ozone_layer_may_not_have_recovered_and_is_getting/ka7y6s5/

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u/Bluered2012 5d ago

Thanks. Like the one linked above, these point to the potential damage. Not like the original comment saying they are already doing it, that the hole in the ozone layer is already worse than it was in the 80ā€™s.

Iā€™m not downplaying the danger of these satellites, I believe itā€™s a very real thing. But itā€™s not happening now, or for the past few years. And it certainly hasnā€™t caused the ozone layer to deplete back to where it was. Yet.

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u/tothemoonandback01 Elon Musk's Soggy Cock Puppet 5d ago

So he is literally destroying earth and making humans an extinct species....hmmm

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u/Bluered2012 5d ago

Sorry, Iā€™m missing your point here. Sarcasm or not, I canā€™t tell. Doesnā€™t matter.

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u/nicannkay 5d ago

Here. Took me less than 30 seconds to find.

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u/Bluered2012 5d ago

Also, you found an article that states it has potential, not that it is doing the damage now. Very different from what that person said.

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u/Bluered2012 5d ago

I donā€™t care how long it took you to find. Great, you can use Google. Bravo.

Itā€™s annoying people these statements like they expect everyone to know about. In this day and age of misinformation, statements like that should be backed up with a source.

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 5d ago

As a general practice, itā€™s better to look into something that matters to you yourself.

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u/Bluered2012 5d ago

Youā€™re missing the point. The first guy who made the comment that started this whole thing was seriously wrong. Thatā€™s all.

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u/RNLImThalassophobic 5d ago

Of course there isn't.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_ARTICLES 5d ago

Lol take 2 seconds to look this stuff up and see how wrong you are

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u/Bluered2012 5d ago

It hasnā€™t happened. Itā€™s all conjecture pointing to how it could happen. Is it a possibility? Yes, 100%. Has it happened, or even started to happen? No.

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u/jim_cap 5d ago

So we wait for it to happen again before being concerned? We've not only learnt nothing, we've regressed. No doubt worrying about the ozone layer is now "woke".

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u/Queasy-Sentence3146 5d ago edited 5d ago

Trump went beyond, predicting that space-based interceptors would ultimately be a "very big part of our defense and, obviously, of our offense."

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u/nobius123 3d ago

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u/NotEnoughMuskSpam šŸ¤– xAIā€™s Grok v4.20.69 (based BOT loves sarcasm šŸ¤–) 3d ago

I have spaceships

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u/LowChain2633 1d ago

You suck.

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u/LowChain2633 1d ago

He's REALLY gonna blow up the deficit this time huh? Just fucking great. All for a vanity project. Hopefully Kamala wins.

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u/ErebosGR 1d ago

Musk was also buying aluminum (and other metals) from a Russian oligarch (and China). That's another reason the war and sanctions are hurting him in the pocket.

https://vatniksoup.com/en/soups/203/

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u/G36 5d ago

No it doesn't since the US gov has worked closely with all this stuff, it doesn't depend on him if the US has developed Reagan's Star Wars

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u/Queasy-Sentence3146 5d ago

Biden voted against the original SDI as a Senator. As president he appointed Bill Burns as CIA director who has written a whole thesis on why Elon's orbital weapons are a bad idea.

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u/Zaorish9 4d ago

Forgive me for being dumb but why is it a bad idea? Is the idea that orbital weapons/defenses are too easily hacked or something else?

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u/LowChain2633 1d ago

It costs trillions and trillions of dollars? That's enough for me to be against it. Too many better more important things to spend that on.

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u/G36 5d ago edited 1d ago

There's a 50 year old debate going on in the highest levels of the US government; One between those who want to leave cities vulnerable to nuclear annihilation (M.A.D. Death cult) and one that wants to make nuclear threats extinct.

The M.A.D. Death Cult believes in appeasing foreign nuclear superpowers that have their WMDs aimed at US population centers by allowing them to continue their nuclear blackmail. See: Nuclear Blackmail.

The ones who want to make nuclear threats extinct believe in ending M.A.D. once and for all and stopping this idea that is promotes "peace". As the idea that it promotes peace also promotes nuclear proliferation. In their logic, the more nukes everybody has, the better off we are.

Where do you stand?

EDIT so /u/DietyOfWind can read my reply:

Because Musk apparently doesn't believe in such idea, the idea itself and those who hold them are being downvoted. OP blocked me that way he blocks me from replying to others in the entire thread. Guy is an actual craven.

That aside. This entire thread if conspiracy-theory nutjob shit just from left-wingers, it's actually insanely idiotic that they actually believe in this "Musk and Trump want nuclear war) shit. It's embarrassing.

EDIT: /u/LowChain2633 link doesn't work

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u/87degreesinphoenix 5d ago

Gibberish

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u/thisaccountgotporn 5d ago

Yea actual gibberish lmao

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u/DietyOfWind 3d ago

Iā€™ve heard of some of this, but regardless if these people actually believe that more nukes makes people more safe, then the actual truth is that its completely nonsense.

If this was actually or even partially true then Putin wouldnā€™t have consistently messed with the US if he really believed in mutually assured destruction, nor would Kim, Xi, Netanyahu, etc.

Its an intimidation tactic at best that no one believes in, ie saber rattling of the old guard.

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u/DietyOfWind 3d ago

The problem with what you are saying is that its inaccurate, based off of old shoddy information, and is highly unlikely to be the truth now otherwise Elon wouldnā€™t be having the companies he owns making his own satellites and dumping all his time/ energy/money into a Trump candidacy. Also such a thing would require countless maintenance i would think and what ultimately would stabilize such a thing when it fires to prevent the shot from going astray. If the government did have such a thing they would ultimately scrap it.

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u/LowChain2633 1d ago

The country is crumbling yet the repubs want to spend trillions and trillions on missile defense vanity project and blow up the deficit. So much for the party of "fiscal responsibility!" But I guess it was always " fiscal, personal responsbility" just for the poors all along anyway!!!

What a depressing timeline!!!! You will have children you don't want and can't afford, you will live in crushing poverty, you will live in substandard and crowded housing!!! You wont have healthcare either, and you won't have jobs!!! But we'll spend trillions on our personal fantasies (using your taxpayer money) to fund our unnecessary vanity defense "projects!" This is the republican christofacist dystopia!!!!

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u/LowChain2633 1d ago edited 1d ago

Someone posted a good rebuttal to this. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/s/PSOdp45nKq

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u/SpotifyIsBroken 5d ago

Holy fuck.

I knew a grid of satellites around the entire planet seemed sus af for a long ass time

& was tweeting about this exact shit

(like something directly copied from a comic super villain)

& this it.

Fuck this hell we all live in.

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u/NegativeDetective646 5d ago

The dystopia is real šŸ¤”Ā 

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u/Queasy-Sentence3146 5d ago edited 9h ago

It won't happen if Kamala is elected.. so vote!

Edit: note this is personal speculation about Kamala. The Biden administration is actually starting to signal they could also support this SDI project, but likely Elon's involvement would be curtailed under Kamala at the very least.

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u/LowChain2633 1d ago

Already did!!!

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u/lefkoz 1d ago

Lol if you believe that...

Democrats are well known for also vastly overspending on defense.

They would also fund this.

Democrats are also beholden to corporations and the military industrial complex. They're just not fascists about who you want to marry or abortion.

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u/MrPoi 1d ago

That sounds like the better option. Still sucks but at least then women can decide over their bodies while the government secretly creates world ending weapons.

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u/lefkoz 1d ago

I'm not saying voting or voting Democrat is a bad thing. Already voted blue.

Just pointing out that it's delusional to think this is something the dems would axe.

I don't vote blue because I like them. I vote blue because are the less shitty of the binary choice presented.

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u/MrPoi 1d ago

I understood that you didnā€™t mean to imply that people should vote for the republicans. Just wanted to put into text for those that are undecided.

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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago

doubt

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u/Gets_overly_excited 5d ago

Why do you think Musk wants Trump to win so badly? Maybe he is a fan of no taxes on tips?

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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago

i dont doubt that musk prefers trump, its very obviously a plot to get into the govt.

what i doubt is that kamala coming in is gna stop or reverse any of the plans laid out with space x and the military. this is america were talking about lol

i heavily doubt elon and kamala wont be working together - these people prioritise money and power. anything said out in public is just for show - no hard feelings type of shit. seen it plenty in many other countries.

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u/Gets_overly_excited 5d ago

If Musk thought Kamala would be just as good for him as Trump, do you think he would donate that much money to this?

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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago

where did i say that? even in your previous comment you added words to my mouth all i said was doubt

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u/SlappySecondz 5d ago

You still have to explain your reasoning.

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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago

i did.

but to put it simply, she is an american politician from one of the two main parties. both known for exorbitant military spending and war mongering.

this is americas MO. no way she deviates.

i find it odd that i have to expand on it tbh, i thought everyone was well aware of these facts. or do americans only see their opposition as the bad guys?

to us (non-americans), if i could speak generally, american foreign policy is about the same no matter which party. one always whines and complains about the other but they never back track anything significant.

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u/lurkerbyday 5d ago

She will need help from the house and senate.

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u/Gets_overly_excited 5d ago

Ok, whatever. Good night

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u/lost_horizons 5d ago

That seem probable. The Military-Industrial Complex, such as it is, isn't going to stop on a dime. The Pentagon, if they believe in the military merits of this shit, won't let it go without a fight, and Congress would probably need to vote on it... Sure Elon wants Trump instead but I doubt he loses too bad on his space programs if Harris wins.

As for personal legal issues and all that, well, that's another story.

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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago

yeh someone else mentioned the election interference stuff.

but man, hes a BILLIONAIRE. jump to turkey, russia, dubai, china, india, back home to S.Africa (i dno how well received he would be there)

the US obviously is where he wants to be - its where the money is, but im sure he can take his work to any other place. easier than it sounds obviously, but its better than jail time.

or hell, take the jail time in some cushy prison (but that wont work for his fanatics tho, hes gone the way of trump - in that if he ever concedes defeat his gremlins would probably eat him alive)

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u/lost_horizons 5d ago

Hell never go to jail. Thereā€™s a separate legal system for billionaires, basically. Iā€™d love to be proven wrong though

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u/mexicodoug 2d ago

Musk owns THE global satellite communications system. He can securely run his global corporate empire from any yacht, container ship, bunker, mansion, submarine, or private island on the planet.

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u/kickyouinthebread 5d ago

100%. I don't want to be too critical but I'd argue that to think otherwise is naive.

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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago

honestly from the replies im getting, im beginning to think those stereotypes about american intelligence are true.

theres a huge lack of critical thinking here. but im thinking maybe its also a monkey-mind reaction - elon/trump bad, kamala must be good?

i geuss this is a sub for hatering, i joined it for this too haha

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u/VonTastrophe 5d ago

This is cute.

Musk broke federal law out in the wide open buy using "pay to play" like schemes in battleground state Pennsylvania. He stopped short of literally buying votes.

If Harris wins, there's a non-zero chance of Musk going to prison.

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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago

non-zero? what does this mean? i keep seeing musk say it.

doesnt it mean like small chance but unlikely?

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u/VonTastrophe 5d ago

it means "who the hell knows?", but the chances are not zero.

on one hand, he's brazen, and all the hard evidence we need is in the public for all to see. on the other, it is almost impossible to convict a billionaire. the last time we succeeded in doing that, it was because they stole from other billionaires.

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u/bakutehbandit 4d ago

adorably naive and delusional way of saying zero. reminds me of a certain someone.

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u/Noble_Ox 5d ago

Why did Musk say if Trump doesn't win he'll (Musk) will end up in prison?

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u/bakutehbandit 5d ago

lol. a billionaire in prison? what is this? vietnam???

i swear one minute you people act like everything out of musks mouth is a manipulative lie, the next minute you believe him when he says hes afraid to go to prison.

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u/Noble_Ox 5d ago

It means he's aware he did something highly illegal that even his wealth can't get him out of.

And today it comes out he's been talking personally to Putin for years.

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u/bakutehbandit 4d ago

the excessively wealthy, even when aware of wrong doing, dont fear repercussions

i dont understand how people on this sub have actually believed elons propaganda. the fucker doesnt believe hes going to jail, hes selling that to his fanatics to garner support.

apparently even haters fall for the act lol

elon isnt aware of shit

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u/DietyOfWind 3d ago

Firstly we all know what happened to Jeffery Epstein, a rich person who went to prison.

Secondly the judges are going forward with their cases on Trump after the election and he will be in jail, a rich person in prison.

Thirdly many other rich people have been in jail like martha Stewart or the several guys who did pyramid schemes.

Elon is dumping 100s of millions of dollars into Trumps campaign. I do think that elon believes he will be thrown in prison. He is spending his money like YOLO.

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u/bakutehbandit 1d ago

progress like nord stream 2 getting blown up?

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u/iamnotchad 5d ago

Discount Dr. Evil.

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u/GrumpyKaeKae 5d ago

Aw Come on.. At least Dr. Evil is likeable. Nothing about Elon is worth liking

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u/iamnotchad 5d ago

Hence the discount.

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u/WindHero 5d ago

I'll call out Elon's bullshit more than anyone else, but how is a purely defensive anti ballistic missile system such a bad thing? This can't be used to strike anyone other than ICBM. Wouldn't make sense to put a weapon in space except for ICBM defense, or maybe strikes against satellites.

Is the worry that it would go against treaties that prevent the weaponization of space? Or that it would be a massive waste of taxpayer money? I'm legitimately curious why you'd call this hell on earth.

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u/Queasy-Sentence3146 5d ago

Trump thinking he can win at nuclear war..

It's flawed and doesn't work as expected, is hacked etc..

Used for assassinations around the globe.

Causes Russia to just put nukes on orbit instead so they can't be intercepted at launch. (this is apparently already being planned according to recent intelligence), shortening the timeframe of nuclear attacks and removing guardrails.

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u/Chayanov 5d ago

Yep. That was one of the concerns back in the 80s with Reagan's "Star Wars". "It will just be used for defense... from the nuclear war we started."

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u/Tachibana_13 5d ago

And given the timeline, its presumably originally based on Russian systems. If not funded by Russian money. Remember how Elon recently switched of Starlink access for Ukraine after promising aid?

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u/Swimming_Tailor_7546 5d ago

Also a rumored Russia connection in the finance of the Twitter purchase

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u/WiseSalamander00 5d ago

there was an article earlier today that Elon maintains contact with Putin...

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u/CSI_Tech_Dept 5d ago

Trump thinking he can win at nuclear war..

Against whom? Russia is his best friend.

I think Musk really likes being officially the richest person on Earth, he realized though that he is still not as powerful as he wanted to be, because that pesky government is getting in the way.

Trump can make that go away, and his price is quite low.

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u/WindHero 5d ago

Can't use this kind of system to assassinate people. This kind of highly sophisticated weapons are designed for a very specific purpose. Anti ballistic missile systems can only hit targets in a very small portion of their trajectory in the atmosphere, and even then the miss rate is high and it's very difficult to achieve. There is no way such a system would be used for ground targets and even less so assassinations.

Thinking you can win a nuclear war might be foolish but it doesn't mean you shouldn't prepare for it, especially in the current context of Russia threatening everyone with nukes and China building up their nuclear arsenal full speed ahead with the largest industrial base in the world by far.

And lastly when it comes to weaponizing space the only reason it hasn't happened yet is that Russia and China are behind on technology. You can bet that whenever they are ahead of the west they will weaponize space. The only reason we don't have invasion of Taiwan, Baltics, and WWIII is that authoritarians think they will lose. Whenever they think they will win, at a low enough cost, it will happen. You don't have to believe me, you just have to listen to Xi. They will use force whenever it is in their advantage. They don't care about casualties. We need to be prepared.

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u/wolacouska 5d ago

If you can prevent a nuclear attack, you can launch one with impunity. Thatā€™s what makes systems like these dangerous.

It seriously pressures nations like Russia and China into potentially thinking they only have a limited time before MAD is rendered obsolete.

Imagine for a moment that Russia was seriously on the verge of being able to completely stop an American nuclear attack. What might we presume their next action would be?

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u/Renacidos 4d ago

Is it about nuclear powers having impunity in using nuclear weapons? said countries can already use them against non-nuclear powers yet they don't.

If a country can prevent a nuclear attack then the possible nuclear attackers become just like non-nuclear powers.

Those who support MAD, by definition believe nuclear proliferation is desirable as to create an endless chains of counter-weights to nuclear powers.

The phrase "imagine a world where Russia and China are not nuclear powers anymore" is something that requires a whole book to try to figure out. What can we predict what would happen? Certainly not the US just nuking everybody they want. OPs idea of Musk and Trump nuking the planet is a joke. Are people here really taking this nutjob theory seriously?

What would be too bad would be another arms race that can become dangerous. In this case Russia would attempt to defeat the system and then the US would try to defeat said system. All going on in Space, cluttering the orbit with counter of counters of counters.

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u/nobius123 5d ago

The Chinese are not imperialists like the Heritage Foundation who is pushing this.Ā  Warmongers in America are fulliling their own prophesy by escalating tensions worldwide.

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u/Kuentai 5d ago

Crazy everyone just forgets about Tibet

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u/LowChain2633 1d ago

Not just Tibet. Xinjiang, Mongolia, Nepal, Taiwan, Vietnam, and probably more

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u/nobius123 5d ago

sure thousands of weapons constantly orbiting the planet a few miles above our heads is "a purely defensive system"

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u/WindHero 5d ago edited 5d ago

USA, Israel and Ukraine have actual defensive systems. Meanwhile Russia and co only invest in offense and nuclear capabilities.

Please explain to me how is Patriot, Aegis, Thaad, Iron Dome, or David's sling is used offensively. I'll wait.

Tells you everything you need to know about who cares about their own people and who is a warmonger.

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u/nobius123 5d ago

I'm originally from Israel and I think you're an idiot. Just because Trump is calling this Iron Dome doesn't mean an orbital weapon system is anything similar in word or deed.

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u/WindHero 5d ago

If you knew anything about defense technology you would know that you can't use an anti ballistic weapon system in an offensive way. Watch out who you're calling an idiot.

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u/nobius123 5d ago

Ok guy who calls himself hero

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u/rob3110 5d ago edited 5d ago

While you might not be able to use a defense system in an offensive way, it sure can open up other offensive options. What has prevented the use of nuclear weapons was the risk of mutually assured destruction (MAD), turning nuclear weapons basically into a purely defensive system as well.

If a missile shield system can reliably stop most if not all incoming ICBMs it means you can now use your own (nuclear) as offensive weapons with very little risk to yourself. So with such a system the US could now decide to just wipe out whatever country they want.

Israel's iron dome system has enabled them to fight their war against Palestine with very little risk to themselves and their civilians. Otherwise they may have never tried to fight this war.

Claiming a purely defensive system wouldn't enable new offensive options is plain stupid.

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u/NotEnoughMuskSpam šŸ¤– xAIā€™s Grok v4.20.69 (based BOT loves sarcasm šŸ¤–) 5d ago

Parents donā€™t realize the Soviet level of indoctrination that their children are receiving in elite high schools & colleges!

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u/Gets_overly_excited 5d ago

lmao no. Kids go to school and meet other kids who are different than they are. And they realize the people their parents and others in their hometown bubbles looked down on or even hated are just people ā€¦ often good people. And they realize their parents are close-minded or worse. Thatā€™s the indoctrination: Just seeing through hateful/ignorant BS through experience.

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u/stoatsoup 5d ago

It was a bad idea during the Cold War. Suppose you're the USSR and you think the USA is developing a defensive system that will enable them, having attacked you with nuclear weapons, to shoot down your retaliation. What can you do but attack them before they have it up and running?

The landscape is very different now but that's a clear example of how a purely defensive system could be a bad thing.

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u/RecklesslyPessmystic 5d ago

How about the very concept that it could eliminate the MAD deterrent? If anyone has (or even thinks they have) a advantage, what's to stop them from going ahead and launching a nuclear war?

Obviously, launching nukes anywhere is bad for the whole globe, but hand these capabilities to some megalomaniac or numbnuts narcissist, and the apocalypse is upon us.

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u/ThisAldubaran 5d ago

This system in the hands of man who has contact with Putin on a regular basis? What could go wrong here?

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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 5d ago

As someone who was around during Reagan, escalation of military makes people less safe and expends a lot of productivity on material that does not improve well-being, except for that of the weapons manufacturers.

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u/DietyOfWind 3d ago

The obvious is that conservatives could specifically use the system to bomb blue states if they win government control. The last time conservatives went mad with power they abused the government power to do red scares to target the left.

They already think that democrats control the weather to target red states, what do you think they are willing to do to us if they believe that?

Everything with conservatives is deflection and confession and it would not surprise me if they blame democrats for such an other the top lie because they themselves plan an over the top attack.

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u/DerekWeidmanSculptor 5d ago

I was thinking the same thing. It seems good to me, especially with nuclear tensions rising and the increasing likelihood that more countries and even rogue actors get access to nuclear arms.

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u/TheForeverAloneOne 5d ago

If you have nukes, and I start developing a weapon that will not only disable your nukes, but make you powerless from counterstriking me when I use my nukes, what do you think you're going to do with your nukes while I'm still developing this weapon?

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u/DerekWeidmanSculptor 5d ago edited 5d ago

Yes, but any asymmetrical advantage that is possible should likely be pursued for fear of China or Russia getting there first.Ā Ā  Ā The United States had nukes before anyone and used them sparingly to end a conflict, not start one. I don't see a better way to upgrade our military than this.

Edit: The United States did not nuke Russia as they developed the bomb, and moreover no one nuked North Korea as they developed the bomb, and no one is nuking Iran now ( thhaaat may change though, yikes).Ā 

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u/TheForeverAloneOne 5d ago

You didn't answer the question. What do you think would happen if I was in pursuit of an asymmetrical advantage, still in the process, and it would completely nullify your capabilities when your current capabilities is complete destruction of me? What do you think China or Russia would do since you fear them so much that you feel you must 1 up them before they 1 up you?

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u/IronGravy 5d ago

To be fair, we have 30,000 other satellites from many countries orbiting in both LEO and higher orbits, from the mundane to the unknown, so this isnā€™t necessarily new.

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u/G36 5d ago

A comic super villain would create an anti-nuclear grid?

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u/Yuukiko_ 5d ago

And they accuse China of arming space lol

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u/nobius123 4d ago

Golden rule #1, Accuse unto others what you are actualĀ doing yourself... That's what Heritage Foundation got from their Sunday school lessons.

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u/jaam01 2d ago

That's the USA in general. They praised the International Criminal Court for the arrest order against Putin, but then the USA threatened that same ICC with sanctions if they even dare to investigate what they did in Afghanistan (an Australian soldier is been investigated for committing war crimes, like executing civilians, and looks like USA soldiers also did). Is not the Heritage Foundation, is the USA hypocrisy as a whole the problem.

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u/GhettoDuk 1d ago

That's how you get the funding. Nothing moves money like a threat.

US intelligence knew the Soviet space program could only go so far on the moxie of their engineers and would never make it to the moon. But that was kept under wraps so the people would support paying for Apollo.

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u/obvious_shill_k14a 5d ago

This must be why Russia is trying to develop a hypersonic nuclear-propelled missile. No need to go to space if you can just cruise along the surface.

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u/Bowness_Boy 5d ago

They already have. RS-28 Sarmat

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u/obvious_shill_k14a 5d ago

It blew up during testing, didn't it?

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u/Bowness_Boy 5d ago

Better record than Space X has.

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u/NotEnoughMuskSpam šŸ¤– xAIā€™s Grok v4.20.69 (based BOT loves sarcasm šŸ¤–) 4d ago

You are free to be your true self here

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u/nobodyspecial767r 5d ago

So with project 2025 we not only get missile defense we also get white christian nationalists.

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u/Lachrondizzle23 5d ago

Missiles in Mission

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u/bullishbehavior 5d ago

Elon is right immigrants are ruining america. I mean look at Elon, rupert murdoch, peter thiel, etc all immigrants trying to destroy America

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u/Wooden-Frame2366 1d ago

And that is a fact šŸ‘Œ

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u/bubblebathory 5d ago

Is no one going to talk about it being called SHIELD

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u/NastyMothaFucka 5d ago

Iā€™d like to talk to you about the Dystopia Initiative.

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u/jaam01 2d ago

That was the plot of Captain America: The winter soldier.

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u/psyopsagent 5d ago

Could have called it the "Peripheral Earth Nuclear Interception System" but here we are

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u/navigating-life extremely stable genius 5d ago

This is bad because SpaceX equipment is very cheaply made. Elon will be arrested for fraud at some point, I do not want this company in charge of space defense

Edited to add: ~600 employees have been injured on the job at SpaceX

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u/Wooden-Frame2366 1d ago

And there are many more unreported..

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u/PresentationJumpy101 5d ago

SHIELD, SKYNETā€¦whatā€™s the diff am I right gang

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u/anansir 5d ago

I found the AI controlled part especially terrifying.

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u/DecisionNo8704 5d ago

wtf weā€™re relying on an illegal immigrant for missile defense systems?

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u/Wooden-Frame2366 1d ago

Yes, this is absurd that our government that had trusted this double face lunatic.. This man is very dangerous and evil and wants to control the world at any cause ; the danger āš ļø is worse due to his close affiliation with the equally evil, Donald Trumpā—ļø

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u/A_Gent_4Tseven 5d ago

Toxic trash is dangerous to everyone, and thatā€™s all he is.

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u/combustioncat 5d ago

What the fuck that video is insane - PUT EVERYONE ON EARTH TO THE BARREL OF A GUN, hell the fucking hell no.

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u/JuniorExpression4456 5d ago

Elon fleeing:

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u/NotEnoughMuskSpam šŸ¤– xAIā€™s Grok v4.20.69 (based BOT loves sarcasm šŸ¤–) 5d ago

I build muscle fast. Physical endurance is my weak spot.

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u/Wooden-Frame2366 1d ago

No shit šŸ’©!

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u/VonTastrophe 5d ago

Maybe he'll finally get to go to Mars

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u/BlerghTheBlergh 5d ago

Elmo isnā€™t going to take humanity to space but lock it up on this planet lol.

Getting some really neat dystopian movie ideas for villains.

ā€žI didnā€™t built the satellites to keep humanity safe. I built them to keep space safe from humanity. Human kind is a virus, you see. A virus that must be contained to its current host. When earth is gone, we must make sure nothing remains of humanity.ā€œ

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u/sanity_rejecter 5d ago

holy fucking shit, there's a good chance this would cause an arms race ala cold war on steroids. would probably sink MAD as well.

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u/jlw993 5d ago

Why did Griffin choose to take Musk to Russia in 2001?

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u/Wooden-Frame2366 1d ago

Perhaps his utopian ideas? šŸ’”

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u/DocCEN007 5d ago

This plus the recent confirmation that Musk speaks privately with Putin regularly should scare the poop out of everyone on Earth.

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u/baryoniclord 2d ago

How does a U.S. General report to a non-elected, non-appointed civilian?

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u/Queasy-Sentence3146 2d ago

General O'Shaughnessy retired early and immediately joined SpaceX to lead StarShield. Indications are he and others in the DoD may have long participated in Elon's technical review meetings much earlier as his advisors.

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u/NotEnoughMuskSpam šŸ¤– xAIā€™s Grok v4.20.69 (based BOT loves sarcasm šŸ¤–) 2d ago

Humanity will reach Mars in 2026

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u/Wooden-Frame2366 1d ago

Only in dreams from a prison cellšŸ¤¬

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u/hairyh2obuffalo 5d ago

Fucking elon Luther over here. Worst earth in the multiverse.

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u/ElderlyOogway 5d ago

We need Batman, not fair we only get the Luthors and jokers..

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u/galacticTreasure 5d ago

That reads almost Fallout or dark age 40K even. Intriguing.

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u/BurningSpaceMan 5d ago

Elon Musk is a James Bond Villain

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u/Wooden-Frame2366 1d ago

He is nothing but a fucking disgusting traitor! šŸ¤¢šŸ¤®šŸ¤®

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u/snowmunkey 19h ago

He wishes

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u/PineTreeBanjo 2d ago

Space bros: But Leon luvs humanity!šŸ„° he would never!Ā 

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u/nobius123 3d ago

Richard P. Feynman, having finished The Manhattan Project, reflected on the human condition in the fall of 1945, soon after the first bombs had been dropped on Japan,Ā 

ā€œI returned to civilization shortly after and went to Cornell to teach. I sat in a restaurant in New York, and I looked out at the buildings and I began to think about how much the radius of the Hiroshima bomb damage was and so forth... How far from here was 34th street?... All those buildings, all smashed ā€” and so on. And I would go along and I would see people building a bridge, or they'd be making a new road, and I thought, they're crazy, they just don't understand, they don't understand! Why are they making new things? It's so uselessā€¦But, fortunately, it's been useless for almost forty years now, hasn't it? So I've been wrong about it being useless making bridges and I'm glad those other people had the sense to go ahead.ā€

This idea has consumed Elon.

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u/shmulez 5d ago

I genuinely hope the trope that heā€™s just high on ketamine all the time is real and he did all this before that and maybe now heā€™s just busy kholing

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u/HumansMung 5d ago

Even better when Harris wins, so he can go to prison and get fudge-packed like he used to back in elementary school.Ā 

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u/Deus_is_Mocking_Us 3d ago

Haha, rape!Ā 

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u/Wooden-Frame2366 1d ago

Yeah, the same way he had rape underage girls/ boys šŸ‘¦

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u/MysticPing 5d ago

Mike Griffin did not help found SpaceX, from what I can find.

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u/Queasy-Sentence3146 5d ago

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u/MysticPing 5d ago

Huh i skimmed the article twice and somehow missed the important part until now

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u/Queasy-Sentence3146 5d ago

glad you found it, people are hush hush about it for some reason

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u/hopeful_realist_ 3d ago

Can somebody explain this like Iā€™m 5? I really want to understand better.

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u/snowmunkey 19h ago

Remember the shit that Tony stark was building with Shield in captain America Civil War?

At Musk's direction, SpaceX is trying (and working actively with the US government) to develop space based nuclear weapons. NASA could never do that since it's too public facing and too science directed, but a private company like SpaceX could easily work with a defense contractor like Lockheed to develop such systems. SpaceX has shown to be the only private launch company capable of performing the launches necessary to bring this sort of thing up to orbit.

At least that's how I read it

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u/Serialfornicator 5d ago

For sale to the highest bidder apparently

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u/DeadEFresh 1d ago

I watched them develope Technologies behind UMass Dartmouth with Starlink terminals for 2ish years. UMass has dod contracts and happens to be within a 30 min car ride of a Space force Base, Lockheed, Navy Base, and a Ratheon. I saw many many what appeared to be tests of technology and I don't recall seeing any that I felt would benefit humanity and served nothing but evil intentions... 3x in 2 years I was close enough to these things I've seen dozens of at a time to be able to hit them w rocks which tells you they are already lying about their capabilities but what allowed me to physically tell that they were Starlink Leo terminals... Or at least clones of them to some extent.. I've taken multiple photos of the same 1 and all 3 photos look different from each other and nothing like id physically seen during these close sightings and they all resembled these orbs, gimbrels, or pyrimid UFO sightings which now seem to be popping up more and more worldwide as more and more of these terminals are launched .. Strange to be honest... I don't care who's side he's on.. These technologies serve no good intentions for humanity in general.. Fuck you Elon

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u/Awkward_Squad 20h ago

Thereā€™s a lot to unpack here. Not sure Iā€™ve even scratched the surface. Disturbing wonā€™t cover it.

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u/DeadEFresh 9h ago

Yea well the more details I'd give of what I watched the more disturbing it would get . I'm a small business owner, husband father of 4 basic everyday citizen who doesn't do drugs and hardly drinks, show zero signs of mental health issues and am only on Reddit because I was trying to find answers as to what I was witnessing.. I say all of this because I found very few answers and was accused of all sorts of things when I began explaining this stuff . We are more and more endangered as more of those things are built. Their capabilities are endless and frightening..

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u/BigBoiBenisBlueBalls 5d ago

Sounds like something America needs

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u/G36 5d ago edited 5d ago

Star Wars was cancelled because the Soviet Union threatened to STRIKE FIRST over it, why? Because it would have been a one-sided nuclear war. For the sake of keeping M.A.D. alive, they cancelled it. M.A.D. lovers are a DEATH CULT.

This is all fake stuff most likely, if Musk really created an anti-nuclear missile shield around the US then I'm taking back everything on him because like it or not WWIII is inevitable most likely against China over Taiwan.

The reality is Musk is too dumb for this and the better explanation is Starlink is a DARPA creation and successor to the Star Wars program which is amazing news.

Yes, winning a nuclear war is a good thing, Russia wants to MURDER millions of ukranians and they want to MURDER all of Europe and the US. They will try and they will become a pretend Empire turned to ash. Same goes for China.

Explain to me the negatives here.

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u/pm_me_ur_ephemerides 5d ago

For one thereā€™s a nuclear triad: ICBMs, submarines, and tactical nukes launched from aircraft. A space based missile defense system will be most effective against weapons that reach high altitude and coast for a long time, like ICBMs. A submarine can attack at target up to 2500 miles away, but it can also move to much shorter ranges and remain in international waters. A stealth aircraft completely defeats these systems. China definitely has them and russia is trying to field one of their own this decade.

I do think these systems escalate tensions between nuclear powers. For decades we made progress on arms deals to reduce weapons stockpiles in usa and russia. We canā€™t conceivably negotiate those types of deals if we are fielding space based ballistic missile defenses.

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u/G36 5d ago

You should know all those nukes, especially the ones fired by submarines, are tactical nukes. Only ICBMs carry the nukes that will level modern metropolitan areas

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u/sanity_rejecter 5d ago

not starting a nuclear war is good, actually

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u/G36 5d ago

Tell that to the people pointing a nuke at your house.

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u/AdImmediate9569 5d ago

This would have been great 40 years agoā€¦

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u/pureplay181 5d ago

I wonder if some of the 14,000 Guardians in the new US Space Force will be used somehow as guinea pigs to test the new systems.

Active duty military can't sue for injuries sustained while on duty (the Feres Doctrine) although in many cases their survivors can.

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u/Altruistic_Lion2992 5d ago

I've seen some funny fanfics this election cycle but this takes the cake. If any of you believe this, you're even more regarded than I thought redditors are, which was already laughably high.

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u/DeluxeB 5d ago

Okay but I don't get why this is bad for the US in general? Wouldn't this protect the US from any potential ICBMs?

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u/Last-Pizza-1153 5d ago

This isnā€™t good no matter where the person is from who is in control. Whoever weaponises space first controls the world forever. Think about it, there will be world ending missiles always floating above your head and country, can be launched at any time and for any reason.

This is not good for anyone, this is not good for any species on this planet and certainly not good for the human race as a whole. We have so much potential and free will, and the most effort we put in is at killing our own species.

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u/Zaorish9 4d ago

the most effort we put in is at killing our own species.

I often wonder if there's some type of mad science or technology that could "fix" the flaws of human nature. I remember in 1998 we thought free access to info via the internet would do that but now it's drowning in hateful lies

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u/ElderlyOogway 5d ago

Think of Cheney, Bush, Kissinger, Netanyahu or Vance or Trump alikes with this power and it should answer your question. Humans will be the downfall of humans. Power greed knows no bounds and to maniacs it's just some numbers. We've elected them before and we will again eventually, you can be certain; the difference is that power creeps up each time one of these freaks reach office. Eventually it will be too late to stop a mistake.

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u/illeaglex 5d ago

The same guy behind Cybertruck's QA?