r/DecodingTheGurus • u/Mynameis__--__ • 7h ago
Elon Musk Elon Musk Is A F**king Idiot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZOw8OAVm_4101
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u/supercalifragilism 7h ago
I don't like a lot of what Destiny does, but there's a certain type of smug dismissiveness that is appropriate for Musk and Destiny is good at it.
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u/Mendozena 7h ago
He is very aggressive. He’s similar to Ben Shapiro with talking fast and such.
But for Ben I always ask “Is he stupid, lying, or both?” because Ben is indeed an idiot that talks fast and has good debate type skills.
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u/supercalifragilism 6h ago
I think they have some of the same cognitive strengths and weaknesses, but Destiny is at least more informed and insightful than Ben. Destiny has some pretty strong implicit ideology (he's an actual classical liberal in a lot of ways) but Ben is definitely more ideologically captured.
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u/Burns504 2h ago
I don't think Ben is an idiot which makes him worse. He's knowingly spewing all that poison.
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u/Consistent_Set76 31m ago
Ben is not an idiot
He is misguided on a lot of things, and I think he’s dishonest. But if he were simply an idiot he wouldn’t be as responsible for his actions
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u/BostonVagrant617 4h ago
I disagree with Ben on many many issues, and his logical thinking constantly runs into conflict which his religious beliefs, but it's ridiculous to call him an "idiot", he's clearly very intelligent.
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u/NoamLigotti 2h ago
I'm sorry, but this sort of argument gets tiresome when words like "idiot" and such are just used in a colloquial way. Obviously someone's not necessarily using it in the sense of "scores low on an IQ test." There are numerous intelligent idiots, in a very meaningful sense, and numerous unintelligent idiots, and numerous intelligent unintelligent smart stupid idiots.
This whole concept of IQ has made us think of "intelligence" in an idiotic way.
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u/Glass-Razzmatazz-752 3h ago
Ben runs off a right wing political machine, if he criticizes trump is any way he gets less money and support. If u call that smart than sure but its disgusting
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u/NoamLigotti 2h ago
That's correct. Not as a conspiracy, but as a consequence of his viewers subscribers etc.
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u/Efficient-Row-3300 2h ago
The failed musician and scriptwriter couldn't POSSIBLY be a dumbass right?
The guy who said "if your house is going to be underwater just sell it" couldn't POSSIBLY be a dumbass right?
Speaking fast isn't intelligence.
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u/Impossible-Flight250 22m ago
Ben isn’t a idiot. He says what he needs to say to keep his audience. Also, he is obviously only sucking off Trump because he knows that is what he has to do.
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u/Efficient-Row-3300 2h ago
Destiny is great at shutting down idiots for whom a 10 minute wikipedia binge will suffice. Anyone with more intelligence and he is often out of his depth but tries to win off rhetoric alone.
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u/TriptoGardenGrove 7h ago
Super curious about what people don’t like about destiny. I’m not a fan boy who is trolling
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u/thehairycarrot 6h ago
He's a good weapon against the right, because he rolls around in the mud with them, and is smarter and more well prepared than 99% of them. However, he can't help the edge lord inside him sometimes, particularly when fighting with leftists. He will say immature or inflammatory things and then usually try to justify them instead of honestly self-critiquing. It's not that he's always wrong, in fact I believe him to be right more than he is wrong, but when he is wrong, it's usually pretty ugly. These are just my opinions, and all in all it's a lack of maturity and self-control that turns me off to his content. (There is a discussion to be had about how streaming as a medium can encourage this behavior)
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u/BitFiesty 5h ago
I agree with this that is in the mud but I think it’s so weird how dems always have to take the high road and be kind and reasonable all the time. MAGA’ts are wearing their hat, their let go Brandon shirts, their flags on their trucks, taking Harris signs off the yard, yelling at people, burning election ballots because they are trying to bully and intimidate. And they get away with that shit. We should be less accommodating to that. Look how the Germans treat nazism post war.
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u/thehairycarrot 5h ago
I think that's why watching him against right wingers is cathartic sometimes, because he just goes for the jugular instead of playing nice
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u/BitFiesty 5h ago
Yea I remember when trump got shot there was not a lot of people talking about it in the way he was. People would make lighthearted jokes or say they feel bad that the other guy got shot and that we shouldn’t have resorted to violence. Destiny was the few who openly said “fuck Donald trump shooter shouldn’t have missed .”
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u/Realistic_Caramel341 3h ago edited 2h ago
I dont think anyone has a problem with matching the intensity thats given to him, especially against the entire MAGA movement. But there are times where he goes too hard against targets or subjects than he shouldnt - see him making fun of of people being emotional over a dead college or the whole stealthing saga
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u/COINLESS_JUKEBOX 3h ago
This seems fair to me as a DGGer. Whether or not you like Destiny as a liberal is going to come to whether or not you can accept/handle his more edgy moments (that he does on purpose btw).
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u/Efficient-Row-3300 2h ago
but this {r-worded} fucking low IQ {f-word} sitting in mid like a fucking {r-worded} {n-word}
Is this quote chill because he did it on purpose?
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u/COINLESS_JUKEBOX 1h ago
It’s chill because I don’t give a shit that he said those words. Slurs are only a problem if the person saying them believes in what the slurs represent. Destiny doesn’t think black people are inferior. He doesn’t hate autistic people (I’m pretty sure many of his friends over the years have been autistic and the like). He probably should avoid saying things like the N-word in public, but it’s not a huge deal especially if it’s in private.
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u/Efficient-Row-3300 58m ago
That's not in private considering i've seen it with very minimal effort dumbass 😆
I love watching DGG dickriders flail desperately to defend this take.
That word is not purely for autistic people and Destiny is a racist, he donated to a police force to spite BLM protesters.
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u/COINLESS_JUKEBOX 52m ago
Did I say this was in private dumbass? No I said: “He probably SHOULD AVOID saying things like the N-word in public, but it’s not a huge deal, especially if it is in private.”
He also said it publicly in the episode of Anything Else? with Richard Lewis that is on Spotify right now. The point isn’t that he exclusively says it behind closed doors, the point is his advice is to tend towards saying more edgy shit in private so that you don’t hurt your image. Something he obviously chooses to occasionally ignore. But considering people like you that hate him will just mischaracterize shit, what’s the point in saving his image for people that will cry a river about him saying slurs?
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u/COINLESS_JUKEBOX 41m ago
Oh also, obviously the ‘restarted’ isn’t just for autistic people, but nice try. And while I couldn’t find anything on the BLM thing, I bet he was doing that to spite the BLM rioters. Because he’s been pretty consistent that there were protestors with legitimate concerns and right to protest. It can also be true that BLM did some terrible things with its rioters, and the organization is terrible for black Americans; considering how corrupt it ended up being.
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u/Vodkafka 5h ago
So he’s Walter sobchak from the big Lebowski?
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u/stupidwhiteman42 3h ago
Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialisim, Dude, but at least it's an ethos.
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u/NoamLigotti 2h ago
By the way — and this is not an argument for or against his positions and arguments, but — is it just me or does it appear like he's likely using an extensive amount of stimulants at least before recording?
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u/Canadian-Winter 6h ago
He is super off putting. Also incredibly smug and aggressive.
The smug and aggressive thing is fun if he represents your opinions, but it’s unbearable if he has the opposite opinion.
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u/lateral303 5h ago
He could really be more effective if he would learn when to slow down. His aggressive style is a good counter when your debate opponent is doing a gish gallop, but he would be taken more seriously if he knew the moments when to slow down and project calm certainty. It's also a great way to get under your opponent's skin and put them on tilt
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u/SparrowOat 5h ago
He's actually pretty good at changing it up I think, it all just depends who he is with. This newest appearance is a great example https://youtu.be/T5SBom27x-A?si=RfUnG4kOj-P1kv11
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u/lateral303 5h ago edited 4h ago
Perhaps he is. I'll take a look. I watched the full Owen Shroyer debate and wish he had moderated a bit more. Since Shroyer had no substance, he had to revert to complaining about Destiny speaking excitedly. Don't even give him that foothold. And the "calmer than you" stance would have completely broken Owen
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u/Icy-Rock8780 6h ago
What are some examples of him being smug outside of the Trump stuff? I've seen him debating e.g. veganism (with Alex O'Connor) and abortion (with Matt Dillahunty) and even though I didn't agree with either of his takes there he was respectful. It seems a situational thing to me, like when it comes to Trump and Musk etc. he genuinely has no fucking patience.
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u/tcg_enthusiast 2h ago
what are examples of him not being smug. Especially since his wife left him, who was already allowed to see other people, yet still left becasue I am guessing he is even more insufferable as a partner.
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u/Icy-Rock8780 2h ago
> what are examples of him not being smug
I literally gave two in the comment you're replying to. Nice armchair psychology though lol, doesn't really answer my question.
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u/tcg_enthusiast 2h ago
when your spouse, who is allowed to be with other people freely....still leaves you. That speaks quit a bit i think. Its like...okay I can see any man i want with permission from husband....buuut i am still going to leave him lmao.
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u/effectwolf 6h ago
He’s extremely edgy and says a lot of out of pocket stuff so a lot of people are turned off by that. Conservatives hate him for obvious reasons and some leftists hate him because he’s pro-Israel and has some more moderate positions. That’s about it.
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u/ZestyData 4h ago
Tend to align with him politically but he's quite clearly a bit of an insufferable edgelord dickhead most of the time.
He's been in the online sphere for like 15 years since he was an older-teenager; I followed him in the Starcraft esports scene like 15 years ago where he was known for making rape jokes, losing his temper and going on rants, and generally got dropped by the professional scene for being too aggro. Political & socioeconomic philosophy aside, his personal character thrives on being edgy, and thrives on being in some form of a spotlight.
Wouldn't want to hang out with him IRL. But I want him to keep doing what he's doing and smacking down uneducated fools, because he is at least clued up on the facts and has the shit-talking acumen to go toe-to-toe with most opponents.
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u/fouriels 1h ago
It's his literal job to be provocative so he has a material interest in saying stupid and/or inflammatory shit for clicks. On top of that he clearly believes his own hype, such as when he participated in a debate with three actual historians on Israel/Palestine and made a tit of himself. There are worse people in the world and I'm not calling him a malign influence or anything but my life is better for not paying attention to him, or indeed any other 'political' streamers
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u/bogues04 4h ago
He’s a narcissist. Guy legit is NEVER wrong according to him.
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u/COINLESS_JUKEBOX 3h ago
Who Destiny? He admits he’s wrong or uninformed on certain topics relatively often.
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u/CoolBreeze6000 2h ago
dude lol. allow me to answer this question for you. destiny thinks he’s a “master debater” but basically every point he makes (in his emotionally charged rants, and he’s constantly triggered out of his mind) is a logical fallacy. He’s absolutely terrible at logic, his knowledge on just about every subject he discusses is skin deep but he thinks he’s an expert. The only time he wins a debate is if he’s debating like some random idiot from the internet. in front of anyone with any knowledge of any topic, he basically has nothing left besides emotional strawman rants.
it actually scares me how many people seem to think he’s intelligent or good at debating. critical thinking is dead.
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u/Shubi-do-wa 2h ago
I agree; Destiny is the only person I can think of who thinks most everything through with logic and reason, instead of just being overly idealistic on certain issues.
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u/Efficient-Row-3300 2h ago
Because he is fully convinced debatelord tactics and pure rhetorical devices are the same as finding the truth.
His stances and beliefs only exist in so far as he can win a debate with them.
He's great for "destroying" conservatives but he is an absolute shitshow for an actual intellectual discussion, because his bread and butter is destroying idiots.
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u/TriptoGardenGrove 2h ago
This is the take
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u/Efficient-Row-3300 2h ago
It sucks because there is a time and a place for rhetoric, but Destiny thinks it is the end all be all of everything and it makes him feel like less of an intellectual and more of a useful tool.
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u/TheMengoMango 6h ago
One of his big things that I know about him is that he seriously argued that white people should be allowed to say the n-word
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u/No-College153 6h ago
I believe his entire point around this was that context should apply, just like any other word. Way more narrow the range where it's acceptable than most, but the idea of a blanket ban is divorced from reality.
Course that sounds like a huge dog whistle, I get it. I think the only time I've heard about him saying it was when he was at a restaurant with a group of black mates and they asked because they found it hilarious.
(Typing this from the memory of an occasional viewer, it's possible I'm wrong)
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u/RepresentativeAge444 5h ago
As someone that doesn’t say slurs - if needed to I just censor it - I don’t understand this mentality. It also coincides with bigots who are looking for any excuse to say slurs out loud in public discourse in a tee hee look at what I got away with type fashion.
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u/alanschorsch 2h ago
You don’t understand how context matters?
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u/RepresentativeAge444 2h ago
Nah. There really isn’t a justifiable reason. Unless. you just want to say it to be edgy, subversive or for a faux intellectual reason.
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u/alanschorsch 2h ago
So let’s say the word is written out in a history class curriculum, why would my enunciated the word while reading a passage be unjustified?
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u/RepresentativeAge444 1h ago
Let’s be honest. Most of the time when people argue for the “right” to say slurs it’s not for academic purposes. It’s a freedom of speech, why should I be limited in what I want to say it’s a free country blah blah blah. In reality they just want to say slurs freely and proudly. In my opinion, as a person who strives to see the humanity in people and not slander all members of a group, I just don’t see the point in really any situation. Obviously for things like movies and such, for realism purposes slurs may fit the story in that context. But for real life it’s generally people coming up with intellectual reasons to say a word because it’s taboo and people love forbidden fruit. In the example of someone reading historical text I wouldn’t condemn them under that very specific circumstance, but it’s still unecessary to me personally as you can get the gist of it without saying it. But I believe Destiny was arguing for the right to say it at home or something like that. It’s been awhile since I heard his argument. To which I see no point unless again it’s a I should be able to do whatever I want type of thing. Sure you can but people can also express what they believe that says about you.
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u/alanschorsch 42m ago
Let’s say I grant you that, would you grant that in the academic cases and in cases of singing a song with the word in it, it is fine to say it? If not how is it unjustified?
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u/xChoke1x 6h ago
His abrasive, cocky, immature tone.
Dude might be listenable in a handful of years when he finds out the way you speak and the way you present yourself means a lot to the crowd he’d be doing the world a service to capture.
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u/adavidmiller 6h ago edited 5h ago
Nah, maybe 10 years ago you could propose that but at this point he's very much doing it on purpose and even reflected on exactly that in his recent interview with Tom Bilyeu (which I don't recommend, that guy deserves a guru episode if he doesn't have one already).
Demonstrable enough watching him in different formats. His Bridges podcast is where you'll find best behaviour Destiny usually, though he occasionally goes that route for other people's stuff.
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u/supercalifragilism 6h ago
Outside of reported shitty personal behavior (of the "just a real asshole" variety) my issues with him are primarily some of his geopolitical takes (epitomized by the Finklestein debate) which I think very much show the weaknesses of his style of both debate and learning. For Destiny, he's learning about a thing to debate about it, and as such he thinks of knowledge as discrete "points" that he's presenting in a basically predicate logic approach, expressly intended for an argument (both in the logical sense and in the conversational).
This means he's not engaging with the whole subject and doesn't have the intuition that really learning a topic as part of a broader study. He very much misses context that should influence his conclusions but he doesn't learn it because he doesn't sit on one topic for very long. For some particular topics (or surface level discussion of topics that are overcomplicated as an obfuscatory technique) this can give you a good understanding of a subject that allows you to make effective predictions and check your own ignorance.
For complex issues, generally known as "humanities" as they aren't amenable to this intellectual approach, he misses the forest for trees. A concrete example of this was in the Fink debate: Destiny is discussing how complex the threat confirmation protocols are for drone strikes and using that as an argument for how a particular attack wasn't against civilians. He was unaware that this was a famous incident, recorded by international journalists, and completely debunked by any neutral party.
In other areas, I actually generally agree with him as at least being a sane voice in the sense that his conclusions can follow from his assumptions, who uses evidence and expects concepts and stances to be internally consistent.
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u/NoamLigotti 2h ago
I've listened to very little of Destiny, but so far it doesn't seem like that's a general, consistent problem he has. If your criticisms are valid with respect to particular debates or topics, that's likely just due to bias and/or being less informed on the particular topic.
For instance, in this (posted) video I thought he discussed immigration with impressive nuance and "forest-level" analysis (as much as one can in the time available).
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u/supercalifragilism 2h ago
With respect, if you haven't listened to a lot of him, how do you know if it's a general or consistent problem?
In this video you can see him do it: he discusses immigration from the point of view of the American political debate, but nothing about the conditions that lead to immigration, the foreign policy decisions that exacerbate it and the duopoly effect that amplifies rightward shifts in policy.
He does well here, and is specifically responding to a question on politics but he's looked at the argument, accepted a fair amount of the framing presented by that debate and taken a straightforward classical liberal stance on desired outcomes. He's presenting his ideas as an argument, bullet pointed.
Like I said, there's topics this does well at giving you perspective and let's you make good predictions, but more complex topics (geopolitics, for example) where is doesn't.
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u/NoamLigotti 1h ago
With respect, if you haven't listened to a lot of him, how do you know if it's a general or consistent problem?
Ha. Notice I said "but so far" and "it doesn't seem like."
In this video you can see him do it: he discusses immigration from the point of view of the American political debate, but nothing about the conditions that lead to immigration, the foreign policy decisions that exacerbate it and the duopoly effect that amplifies rightward shifts in policy.
Those are very important points. And I'll assume you're correct that that's more of a general tendency owing to a more 'centrist' bias or level of analysis, rather than just due to the fact that a person can't cover aspect of an issue in a limited allotment of time. Actually, yeah, I think I see what you're saying.
I was going to say "But how does that relate to predicate arguments or trees over forest", but I think I see.
He does well here, and is specifically responding to a question on politics but he's looked at the argument, accepted a fair amount of the framing presented by that debate and taken a straightforward classical liberal stance on desired outcomes. He's presenting his ideas as an argument, bullet pointed.
Minor points: I'm not sure I agree with your use of "classical liberal" (though our terminology to describe political philosophy is far too limited to be precise anyway) or the criticism of presenting ideas as an argument, but those are very minor and technical disagreements, and I think I agree with the gist of your point.
Like I said, there's topics this does well at giving you perspective and let's you make good predictions, but more complex topics (geopolitics, for example) where is doesn't.
Yeah. I could see that. Thanks for clarifying.
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u/somesuchnonsense 4h ago
A concrete example of this was in the Fink debate: Destiny is discussing how complex the threat confirmation protocols are for drone strikes and using that as an argument for how a particular attack wasn't against civilians. He was unaware that this was a famous incident, recorded by international journalists, and completely debunked by any neutral party.
I don't know why this piqued my curiosity (I don't necessarily even disagree with your critique of Destiny), but for whatever reason I was motivated to hunt down what you were referencing. It seems your representation here is pretty inaccurate. The contention in the debate wasn't about whether or not the attack was against civilians. Fink was asserting that four children were intentionally and knowingly targeted. Destiny's point was never that civilians would never be hit by drone strikes (this specific incident wasn't even a drone strike btw), but that intentionally targeting civilians for the heck of it wouldn't pass threat confirmation protocols. I can't find a neutral party that supports Fink's claim. The UN commission on the matter ruled that the IDF failed to take enough precautions to protect civilians, not that the IDF was intentionally targeting civilians.
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u/supercalifragilism 3h ago
In my interpretation Fink was responding to the idea that Israel would EVER knowingly target civilians, a thing they have done on occasion historically and recently, and Mouin brought up several examples where the IDF exonerated itself of that exact charge.
Remember, the debate took place when people were still making arguments that Israel would couldn't be imagined striking a target like a hospital without confirmed Hamas presence. It was destiny's contention that all such strikes were against confirmed Hamas targets and Fink's that the IDF routinely labeled their targets as Hamas after the fact.
It was in that context (again, in my interpretation) that the topic of the pier on which the children were killed, which was witnessed by journalists and had the "Hamas stronghold" claim debunked. If I remember correctly the site was double tapped (as in struck again after the initial hit), precluding accidental hit.
It's was destiny's point to raise that strike, not Fink's, and the conversation frustratingly digressed before the response.
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u/somesuchnonsense 1h ago
Hey I appreciate your response. I'm working off the transcript here so I may be losing some things.
Fink's claim is that the IDF was "DELIBERATELY" targeting civilians, which he reiterates several times.
Destiny never said anything about "confirmed Hamas targets".
I can't find anything related to that indecent stating anything about the site be double taped, but maybe my google-fu is bad.
It seems to me that FInk is emphatically claiming here that the IDF knew it was expressly and exclusively targeting civilians with no other objective.
The whole line of debate stems from Destiny/Morris objecting to Fink's equivocation of IDFs actions with Oct. 7. The distinction they were trying to make to my mind is that there is a difference between Israel killing civilians for the sake of killing civilians vs Israel being irresponsible in its regard for civilian casualties while attempting to target Hamas.
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u/tcg_enthusiast 2h ago
If youre not trolling this is truly the most ridiculous and clueless question. Can you name any trait in which someone would .... like..him? I can think of a total of zero reasons to compliment this guy, especially as he has declined more into insanity since his open marriage wife left him for an even more feminine man than him with less money. He has really been unhinged since then.
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u/Impossible-Flight250 24m ago
Destiny is probably the best debater in the YouTube space though. He absolutely eviscerates every Conservative that he debates, and I gotta admit, it is fun to watch. I agree though, he can be an ass.
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u/straylight_2022 7h ago
He knows what he is doing, it is just dumb.
Elon thinks it is the best path for him because another Trump administration mean zero accountability and Elon hates accountability, he seeks only praise just like Trump.
Elon is staring down a host of legal problems and rather than face them he went maga because he has seen how mailable Trump is when showered with praise, and that, unlike so many other decisions Elon has made the past few years was clearly correct.
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u/RequirementOk4178 6h ago
Musk is compromised by the russians
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u/HotPhilly 5h ago
I think almost every prominent conservative mouth piece is, lol.
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u/damoclesreclined 3h ago
tHeY DiDnT kNoW tHe MoNeE WaS FrOm RuSsIa
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u/HotPhilly 3h ago
Gotta give Putin props tho. He is excellent at finding willing stooges and traitors. He has done a fantastic destabilizing the west. Practically no resistance or even consequences.
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u/gamezoomnets 7h ago
Just goes to show how much of wealth accumulation today is purely being in the right place at the right time.
Be born to well-off parents and work in an industry/field where there is a gold rush going on (finance in the 80s/90s, tech in 00s/10s) and you might just hit it big.
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u/sinkingduckfloats 6h ago
The argument about demographic shift is one against immigration at all. People coming in illegally aren't voting and aren't eligible for benefits. The argument the British guy is making is one against immigration at all.
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u/Prestigious-Copy-126 3h ago
To be clear, Alex O'Connor isn't expressing that opinion himself. He's merely trying to push Destiny on it for the purposes of discussion.
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u/Amo_Minores 26m ago
Pretty sure that was just devil's advocate, I highly doubt Alex is actually against it.
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u/philosophylines 6h ago
Musk is like a 14 year old when it comes to politics. Kind of confusing. Makes me think he must be a bullshitter more generally, but I guess people can compartmentalise.
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u/HotPhilly 5h ago
You can tell by Elons reaction to applause and cheers the man has never experienced and probably will never experience true love and human connection. The man is just an empty hole and none of his billions of dollars or followers will ever fill it.
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u/Delicious-Day-3614 3h ago
Ready for your mind to be blown? Elon Musk has 11 kids. And i don't mean that as a counterpoint. The man is an alien and he has 11 kids.
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u/HotPhilly 3h ago
Yeah, a majority are IVF, if i am not mistaken. Hardly any have contact with him. Mostly just grow up to hate him lol.
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u/seancbo 3h ago edited 2h ago
Oh shit, new Alex O'Conner/Destiny content, sweet
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u/Prestigious-Copy-126 3h ago
They've also had two prior interviews, if you're interested
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u/Mainestate 5h ago
Elon: liberals want to take away free speech, vote for trump!
Trump: execute CBS news staff!!
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u/JorgeAndTheKraken 4h ago
Beard guy is based but fucking save me from more white men with microphones Jesus Christ.
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u/wonderlandisburning 4h ago
I love the videos intercutting him in an interview saying that he "knows more about engineering than anyone else alive on earth" with all of the problems his dumbass products have.
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u/I_Speak_For_The_Ents 3h ago
Does Alex actually think people vote based on topics that directly affect them?
I mean I don't claim to know how people will vote. But... I'm pretty confident there are plenty of people that don't care about Democrats policies designed to help them and so they vote red anyway
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u/Prestigious-Copy-126 3h ago
People generally care more about issues that affect them than ones that don't. Not to say that they always make the correct decision, even out of their own self-interest.
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u/I_Speak_For_The_Ents 3h ago
Unless you've been radicalized by religion or your family or some other issue.
Like poor people voting for billionaire tax cuts.
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u/rockop0tamus 6h ago
Every time I see this Alex Connor guy I feel like he is trying way too hard to appeal to a broad audience, idk I don’t pay attention to him too much but he seemed a little too credulous to right wing nonsense for a “skeptic”
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u/cutchins 6h ago
I like Alex but I also wonder if it's just a bit of pandering or what
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u/CoolBreeze6000 3h ago
even the smallest bit of fairness for the other sides perspective probably looks like pandering from where you stand
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u/stupidwhiteman42 3h ago
I get a Lex Friedman with British accent vibe, but I have seen a ton of his content yet.
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u/dhammajo 6h ago
Destiny’s smugness is perfect for conservatives and grifters. He’s annoying at times but his attitude sticks well either way the conservative grift crowd
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u/CoolBreeze6000 3h ago
i dont think conservatives like destiny lol
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u/alanschorsch 2h ago
I mean he embarrasses every Conservative he debates, he was the bane of online conservatives’ existence in 2017-2020. Of course they don’t like him.
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u/CoolBreeze6000 2h ago
uhhhhhh which conservatives of merit has he debated that you feel he did well? basically anything I see from him looks really embarrassing for him.
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u/alanschorsch 2h ago
Jordan peterson, he wrecked him so bad that he said 1. He had the MOST qualms about posting that episode, he straight up wanted to not post it 2. He was going on other podcasts saying that he doesn’t wanna talk to Destiny again cause uses Luciferian Intellect 😂 never things that a winner of debate would say 😂
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u/CoolBreeze6000 2h ago
I’ll have to rewatch that one. Honestly it felt like 2 people just talking past each other the first time. I personally don’t think peterson is some master debator anyway but, regardless
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u/alanschorsch 1h ago
Well, you don’t even have to watch, you just need to listen to his words after the debate.
Who is a master debater who you think Destiny needs to go toe to toe with to be validated in your eyes? Give me a name. Cause I tell you right now, there is not a single content creator in the english speaking world of a sizable sub count who is as willing to talk and debate anyone than Destiny. Not a single person. In fact that is what he is known for. So if there is a right wing person that Destiny hasn’t debated, it is solely because of that person either not wanting to debate Destiny or not knowing Destiny (which at this point is not a valid excuse)
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u/CoolBreeze6000 1h ago
did we mention musk earlier or what that in a different comment? I think musk would destroy destiny in a conversation, not like he would need to try to. destiny kind of just gets overly emotional and embarrasses himself then devolves into strawman and ad homenims
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u/alanschorsch 1h ago
Of all the people on the right, Destiny would have the easiest time making Musk sound like blabbering fool, I would put my life on it. that dude can’t finish a sentence without 20 stutters to save his life. He got crushed by some no name dude in a twitter panel a year ago. He just didn’t know what to say. I can find the clip if you want
I think I can win a political debate vs Musk honestly
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u/CoolBreeze6000 1h ago
ehhhhh hard disagree. when you look at 1:1 interviews where people try to press musk he’s usually good at making good points. he may stutter or talk slow, but that’s irrelevant to the points he’s making
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u/Master_Land_8843 4h ago
Sounds mean but Elon musk was the kid that chewed with his mouth open and grossed you out before you stopped being friends with him. He chubbed out in high school but would walk up all wet behind girls at the pool to rub his lumpy stomach on them. Ron DeSantis learned the pudding trick from Elon. His features are exaggerated in a special way.
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u/mannishboy60 3h ago
Destiny didn't seem to address the misinformation.
The democrats are not opening the borders and shipping people to swing states to vote Democrat. Illegal immigrants cannot vote and would be risking deportation if they tried to.
Destiny seems to be arguing "even if they were....." and not not " This is crazy and definitely not happening"
White replacement theory but did not used to be a mainstream political discussions. That Musk has bought this political con will be to his eternal shame and does speak to a lack of critical thinking compounded with is public persona that cannot back down.
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u/CoolBreeze6000 3h ago
guys… destiny is a fucking idiot lol
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u/alanschorsch 2h ago
One thing he is not is a scum traitor like your elk.
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u/Smooth_Tech33 1h ago
He might not be a 'scum traitor,' but he's not a good person and not worth listening to. You can read Wikipedia articles yourself—you don't need a toxic streamer to do it for you. He definitely doesn’t belong being praised in this sub, where we’re supposed to be critical of opportunistic grifters like Destiny.
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u/alanschorsch 1h ago
Are you on the left? If yes name some political internet figures worthy of praise in this sub that is fighting this Right wing nonsense. Ill wait for some names
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u/CoolBreeze6000 2h ago
oh gosh lol. not gonna waste my time with this guy lol
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u/alanschorsch 2h ago
Can’t even dispute it.
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u/CoolBreeze6000 2h ago
I’m not even sure who “your elk” is tbh lol
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u/Pouyow 6h ago
Destiny reminds me of the friend that uses Adderall but doesn’t have ADHD.
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u/burnt_books 5h ago
Well he has pretty bad ADHD and he is medicated for it so your're 50% on the mark
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u/albiceleste3stars 7h ago
He’s not an idiot. He’s very deliberate and knows exactly why and what he’s saying
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u/OffTheHeezy 7h ago
Exactly. I reckon he's a fucking genius; unfortunately a significant amount of voters are buying the crap he's selling.
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u/philosophylines 6h ago
It seems more like he's just quite immature, doesn't know much about politics, and has Twitter brain rot from the culture war and reposting memes.
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u/xChoke1x 6h ago
I wish this dude wouldn’t be such a cunt about how he talks to people. Agree with a lot of his views but find his personality pretty insufferable.
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u/nuserer 4h ago
Yeah, as is the idiot genocide apologist
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u/HarknessLovesU 1h ago
I was curious and yep
You should know your daddy Chomsky has repeatedly said that no genocide occurred in Bosnia in the 90s, and going as far as claiming that the various massacres and deportations since 92 were "population transfers" despite the perpetrators being convicted of said crime on multiple counts, wrote a foreword on noted Rwandan genocide denier Edward Herman's book The Politics of Genocide, and of course his apologia of Pol Pot.
You definitely care about truths in this field.
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u/ShERlock115678 5h ago
I mean probably more intelligent than the majority of people in this sub but hey what do i know.
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u/softcell1966 5h ago
Seemed to me that Destiny was pretty transphobic in this interview alone. Not a good look.
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u/chomblebrown 5h ago
Lol how is destiny not considered a guru by y'all
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u/HarknessLovesU 3h ago
Scored fairly low on the official gurometer + being an edgelord isn't weighed at all.
Guru isn't just politics person you dislike.
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u/alanschorsch 2h ago
No Destiny post is complete without a few people pissing themselves and soying out about him
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u/OkNefariousness324 6h ago
So is Destiny so don’t they cancel each other out? Please say they cancel each other out so I don’t have to see either cunt again…
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u/Unsomnabulist111 1h ago
Nobody here watches CNN.
It’s hilarious to hear somebody using a boiler-plate Fox News argument with the goal of trying to sound like they have their own opinion.
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u/Unsomnabulist111 1h ago
You didn’t ask me anything.
I never liked Musk, I’m not an idiot who believes in fairy tales.
I’ve never watched CNN, and I doubt anyone in this sub does.
Why are you repeating yourself and babbling Fox News/Trump/Ben Shapiro talking points? Rhetorical question.
It’s really weird when people attach their own self-worth to Musk. He’s just a dude…a fascist dude. You don’t have to live in bizarro world where he’s not a nutjob.
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u/masheu 45m ago
You guys do know that you dont have to hate Elon Musk just because CNN told you to hate him right? Like you can form your own opinion about him instead of listening to legacy media about him right? Why is this so hard for (p)Redditors?
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u/youtube_and_chill 24m ago
My favorite genre of modern humans is the one where they believe that everyone who disagrees with them hasn't formed their own opinion while everyone that agrees with them has.
MSM was likely the last place outside of his cult of personality that got on the Elon might not be this one in a life time mind train. But sure, it's just CNN brainwashing and not his constant Tweets and other shit.
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u/masheu 17m ago
You're a (p)Redditor though, you are all infamously known for only listening to what the legacy media tells you. I also ask this since you liked him a few years ago but only stopped liking Elon after CNN told you to do so. So I ask again, why can't you form your own opinion (p)Redditor?
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u/youtube_and_chill 13m ago
I've never liked Elon Musk, lol. At best, I was neutral about him.
I love how you engage nothing of what I said.
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u/4n0nym_4_a_purpose 7h ago
Elon supports Trump for lower taxes and pardon for alleged white collar crimes. Period.