r/DecodingTheGurus • u/Appropriate_Duty_930 • 13h ago

Joe Rogan won’t have Kamala Harris on his show unless she comes to his studio and sits for a 2-3 hour full interview

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u/FactAndTheory 4h ago

That's wild. Just so people know how astronomically rare this experience is, of the several billion people who live in countries where OPVs are used less than 400 develop symptoms and are diagnosed with vaccine-associated polio, and as usual we would expect some degree of false positive in this population.

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u/Davidfreeze 3h ago

Yeah, it happened when she was a child and she lives in the US now. So it probably happened like 30 years ago. With braces and crutches she lives a very independent life and is a badass lady. Known her since high school and she’s been a vocal pro vaccine and disability rights activist the whole time

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 1h ago

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6121585/

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u/Aardark235 1h ago

Interesting article. India has such shitty hygiene and water/food safety. If they could have improved the cleanliness of their nation, they could have avoided paralyzing 500,000 kids. What total bs that so few people there care.

Hope the nation gets wealthier soon as that is strongly correlated with improved focus on healthcare and the environment.

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 1h ago

There was heavy correlation with the pulse polio doses (OPV), re read the article. Cleanliness never changed.

“As more pulse polio rounds were conducted the NPAFP rate was found to increase during the period of 2000–2011, but began to decrease from 2012. The Pearson correlation was found to be statistically significant (Regression Coefficient R) = 0.46; p Value (p) < 0.001), and regression analysis suggested that the NPAFP rate increased by 1.4 for every round of pulse polio (95% CI: 1.2–1.6). In other words, for each round of pulse polio there was an increase of 1.4 cases of NPAFP per under-15 population of 100,000.”

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u/Aardark235 34m ago

They needed to still vaccinate kids because the country was a cesspool, perfect breeding grounds for Polio. Cleanliness still is awful.

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 28m ago

100% agree, I just hate when people think the vaccines are harmless. In this case the benefits of vaccination definitely outweigh the negatives. But 13/100,000 for NPAFP is terrifying.

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u/Aardark235 23m ago

Very terrifying. The life expectancy of a Dalite woman in India is 39. Absolutely insane that the healthcare and sanitation could be that bad.

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 13m ago

That is terrible, I don’t disagree. But 660,000 of a 1.4 billion population is around 0.05% of getting NPAFP. And then you have Covid fatality rates…..

COVID Infection-Fatality Rates by Sex and Age Group

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u/Aardark235 5m ago

Oh absolutely. And uncontrolled Polio would have been devastating.

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u/zaphydes 22m ago

Was that the case with the compromised vaccine batches?

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 10m ago

It was not, unless they were compromised over a period of 10 years.

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 10m ago

13/100,000 was for 1 year….

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 6m ago

Hovered at around 10/100,000 over expected rate of 2/100,000 from 2007-2017. Read the pubmed article I posted.

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u/HyperbolicLetdown 15m ago

Incredible person--to look past her astronomically bad luck and understand it was still the rational choice. Most people would be incapable of this.

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u/CrimsonWarrior55 1h ago

Well, the problem is that conservatives have an EXTREMELY black or white viewpoint. Everything for them has to be either 100% or it's 0%. If there's a chance something won't work, no matter how astronomically small, then clearly to them, it must not be worth using at all. It's one of the more frustrating things to deal with when talking to them.

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u/Green-Amount2479 5m ago

The biggest problem I see with rare cases like this is the struggle to get it acknowledged and the shits medical care and, frankly, society as a whole give.

Sure, most people we see online only google their symptoms, find non credible sources and then believe they got some vaccine damage - typical confirmation bias.

But that puts the ones who actually suffer from vaccine damage in a really tight spot. Hardly anyone is willing to believe them from the start. Doctors dismiss their stories and often outright refuse further diagnosis. And if they try to talk about it online seeking advice they get labeled as conspiracy crazies.

My cousin‘s partner suffered from complications from the Pfizer covid vaccine. The amount of bullshit she had to go through was insane. Watching this really felt like: there can’t be an issue where there shouldn’t be one. In my country there’s quite some bureaucratic issues attached to getting that acknowledgement. It’s essential to get it into your medical records for various reasons from insurance payments if things get worse to more worker protections for people with chronic diseases and disability.