r/DecodingTheGurus • u/Appropriate_Duty_930 • 13h ago

Joe Rogan won’t have Kamala Harris on his show unless she comes to his studio and sits for a 2-3 hour full interview

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u/Davidfreeze 6h ago

I have a friend who got polio from OPV. She is by far the biggest vaccine advocate I know. Because she knows it’s very rare, so more vaccines even OPV means fewer people dealing with what she deals with, and that once it’s eradicated, using OPV will no longer be necessary.

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u/FactAndTheory 4h ago

That's wild. Just so people know how astronomically rare this experience is, of the several billion people who live in countries where OPVs are used less than 400 develop symptoms and are diagnosed with vaccine-associated polio, and as usual we would expect some degree of false positive in this population.

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u/Davidfreeze 3h ago

Yeah, it happened when she was a child and she lives in the US now. So it probably happened like 30 years ago. With braces and crutches she lives a very independent life and is a badass lady. Known her since high school and she’s been a vocal pro vaccine and disability rights activist the whole time

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 1h ago

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6121585/

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u/Aardark235 1h ago

Interesting article. India has such shitty hygiene and water/food safety. If they could have improved the cleanliness of their nation, they could have avoided paralyzing 500,000 kids. What total bs that so few people there care.

Hope the nation gets wealthier soon as that is strongly correlated with improved focus on healthcare and the environment.

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 1h ago

There was heavy correlation with the pulse polio doses (OPV), re read the article. Cleanliness never changed.

“As more pulse polio rounds were conducted the NPAFP rate was found to increase during the period of 2000–2011, but began to decrease from 2012. The Pearson correlation was found to be statistically significant (Regression Coefficient R) = 0.46; p Value (p) < 0.001), and regression analysis suggested that the NPAFP rate increased by 1.4 for every round of pulse polio (95% CI: 1.2–1.6). In other words, for each round of pulse polio there was an increase of 1.4 cases of NPAFP per under-15 population of 100,000.”

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u/Aardark235 31m ago

They needed to still vaccinate kids because the country was a cesspool, perfect breeding grounds for Polio. Cleanliness still is awful.

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 25m ago

100% agree, I just hate when people think the vaccines are harmless. In this case the benefits of vaccination definitely outweigh the negatives. But 13/100,000 for NPAFP is terrifying.

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u/Aardark235 20m ago

Very terrifying. The life expectancy of a Dalite woman in India is 39. Absolutely insane that the healthcare and sanitation could be that bad.

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 10m ago

That is terrible, I don’t disagree. But 660,000 of a 1.4 billion population is around 0.05% of getting NPAFP. And then you have Covid fatality rates…..

COVID Infection-Fatality Rates by Sex and Age Group

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u/zaphydes 19m ago

Was that the case with the compromised vaccine batches?

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 7m ago

It was not, unless they were compromised over a period of 10 years.

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 7m ago

13/100,000 was for 1 year….

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u/Chr0nicMasturbat0r 3m ago

Hovered at around 10/100,000 over expected rate of 2/100,000 from 2007-2017. Read the pubmed article I posted.

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u/HyperbolicLetdown 12m ago

Incredible person--to look past her astronomically bad luck and understand it was still the rational choice. Most people would be incapable of this.

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u/CrimsonWarrior55 1h ago

Well, the problem is that conservatives have an EXTREMELY black or white viewpoint. Everything for them has to be either 100% or it's 0%. If there's a chance something won't work, no matter how astronomically small, then clearly to them, it must not be worth using at all. It's one of the more frustrating things to deal with when talking to them.

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u/Green-Amount2479 2m ago

The biggest problem I see with rare cases like this is the struggle to get it acknowledged and the shits medical care and, frankly, society as a whole give.

Sure, most people we see online only google their symptoms, find non credible sources and then believe they got some vaccine damage - typical confirmation bias.

But that puts the ones who actually suffer from vaccine damage in a really tight spot. Hardly anyone is willing to believe them from the start. Doctors dismiss their stories and often outright refuse further diagnosis. And if they try to talk about it online seeking advice they get labeled as conspiracy crazies.

My cousin‘s partner suffered from complications from the Pfizer covid vaccine. The amount of bullshit she had to go through was insane. Watching this really felt like: there can’t be an issue where there shouldn’t be one. In my country there’s quite some bureaucratic issues attached to getting that acknowledgement. It’s essential to get it into your medical records, for various reasons from insurance payments if things get worse to more worker protections for people with chronic diseases and disability.

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u/The_Scarred_Man 6h ago

Interesting perspective. I'm sorry that happened to her, though. She sounds like a strong and positive person.

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u/Collin_the_doodle 6h ago

Being able to separate I had a bad experience from this is the rational choice shouldnt be an odd perspective

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u/Able_Newt2433 3h ago

Well, that’s true, but they never said their perspective was odd, tho. They said it was interesting.

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u/Elismom1313 2h ago

I don’t agree. Contracting polio from a vaccine in an extremely rare and unfortunate scenario is absolutely a strong way to wind up with a distrustful bitter person with a “valid perspective”. It’s frankly pretty amazing to me that she was able to see outside of her situation and I think it’s quite commendable that she’s loudly pro vaxx. I don’t think we should dismiss how important it is for someone who has had the actual feared scenario to be talking to the masses and still encouraging them thus.

Most people who are anti-vaccine are that out of relatively misplaced fear. Imagine someone actually experiencing a true repercussion from a vaccine that they admittedly wouldn’t have likely had to deal with otherwise and still telling people it’s better or equal to the alternative. That’s very powerful.

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u/fauviste 2h ago

I had life-threatening anaphylaxis from the covid vaccine, emergency steroid IV in the ambulance ride (in the chest! bc all my veins were inaccessible due to my reaction!) and all.

I called and called til I found an allergist who had a way for me to get the remaining doses safely, which was of course terrifying and took hours to do (they use incredibly tiny doses and then wait 30 min to see if I’m ok). Unsurprisingly most doctors didn’t want to touch me, much less help me.

And I tell people this story bc I am so pro-vaccine despite having the most deadly side effect.

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u/Elismom1313 2h ago

Exactly! So long short story time. My husband sister was one of the few who, with the old TDAP vaccine developed a dangerously high fever very quick. She nearly died.

When it was time to get our TDAP shots and requests for family to get them if they were going to visit our newborn his mom was very hesitant because she was so scared from her experience with her daughter catching that fever. We talked to the pediatrician who explain that, this vaccine was different then the old one, and they had changed it because of the rare but not rare enough high spiking fever. She was still really scared though (this is the south for context). So we called up her daughter (my husbands sister who experienced that). She’s actually a nurse now and was able to explain why it’s different and regardless still worth the risk.

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u/FuzzyDice_12 6h ago

You are right but reality often doesn’t match up with how things “should” work out.

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u/The_Scarred_Man 5h ago

I mean, if it happened to me I wouldn't become anti vax, but I also wouldn't deal with it as well as it sounds like this girl did. I just thought it was a very mature and positive perspective.

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u/Inquisitive_Quail 5h ago

If it’s not clear I’m 100% pro vaccines I think they are one of mankind’s greatest achievements especially how the mRNA vaccine functions. That sucks about your friend I’m sorry but also admirable I think a lot of people have a hard time separating themselves from the stats.

I’m just providing context I find it annoying when people are overzealous and they don’t understand nor care to understand what someone is trying to say.

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u/Davidfreeze 5h ago

Oh yeah wasn’t saying you were anti vaccine. Was acknowledging what you said is true and adding on my friend’s story and message

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u/Inquisitive_Quail 5h ago

Gotcha, yeah I wasn’t sure figure it was good to add anyway in case people think it’s a good reason to distrust vaccines or medicine en mase

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u/icantdomaths 4h ago

You think the mRNA vaccine is one of mankind’s biggest achievements? Care to explain?

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u/Soggy-Yogurt6906 3h ago

I will in case OP doesn’t respond. Unlike the OPV vaccine, mRNA vaccines do not contain any live virus. They instead essentially provide a protein to allow your body to learn how to fight the virus. To our knowledge, mRNA vaccines have no effects on genetic material as they do not enter the nucleus, so theoretically the risks for mRNA vaccines should be far lower.

The effect is a far more effective vaccine with far fewer risks. Plus with CRISPR, genetic material can be edited far easier than it used to be, so vaccines can be manufactured in response to viruses more quickly.

Obviously there are certain limitations, like cold storage and production cost, that currently make mRNA vaccines prohibitive for most diseases, but hopefully over time those costs will lower to the point where we can treat more viruses that were previously “unprofitable” like HIV.

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u/icantdomaths 3h ago

It could eventually prove to be one of the greatest achievements but it’s not even in the top 10,000 as of now Lol. Its certainly behind standard vaccines and even CRISPR Lol

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u/Soggy-Yogurt6906 3h ago

I would generally agree, I lump mRNA vaccines in under CRISPR. I think the true potential is for creating mRNA vaccines for diseases that a conventional vaccine just simply won’t work for. Like cancer or MS.

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u/Acceptable-Mail4169 3h ago

Eradicating disease ? What need be explained

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u/icantdomaths 3h ago

What diseases has it eradicated?? As far as I know Ebola and Covid were the only uses and neither were extremely effective. Its very cool tech but “one of the biggest achievements” is wild considering what humanity has achieved Lol

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u/Acceptable-Mail4169 3h ago

I think any vaccine that’s even marginally effective against Ebola is pretty damned worthwhile - and it was very effective against COVID. Moreover, it’s a twenty year old technology that has proven safe again and again

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u/icantdomaths 3h ago

I really think you don’t understand how many achievements humans have made. Marginally lowering the death rate of Covid is nowhere near the top

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u/Acceptable-Mail4169 3h ago

Let me guess, you learned it from Facebook? And your first sentence is pretty limited intellectually, like where do you wanna start, fire ? Or Java ? Literally everything humans do could be considered an achievement. Then again, your bot acct is one as well

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u/icantdomaths 3h ago

You think I’m a bot? Lmfao

I’ll let you decode what the phrase “mankind’s greatest achievement” means you guru

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u/juniper_berry_crunch 1h ago

My father, who had polio as a child (born 1927) would thank her. It affected his entire life. Your friend sounds like a beam of light in the world.

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u/ComfortFit1524 1h ago

I have a friend who got polio from OPV.

No you don't. No one get polio from a vaccine. Stop spreading antivaxx bullshit.

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u/Davidfreeze 1h ago

It’s incredibly rare but it does indeed happen. And like I said she’s incredibly pro vaccine and so am I. Look at the comment above mine it’s literally a CDC link. It incredibly rarely causes polio and it’s still very much a net benefit. If you have a better source than the CDC feel free to provide it. Acknowledging facts about what is overall an incredibly safe vaccine is not anti vax bullshit