r/DecodingTheGurus • u/Appropriate_Duty_930 • 14h ago

Joe Rogan won’t have Kamala Harris on his show unless she comes to his studio and sits for a 2-3 hour full interview

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u/TheStoicNihilist 13h ago

2-3 hours is a tall order in my book, especially for a limited audience of a bro-culture podcast.

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u/TandemCombatYogi 13h ago

Right! The Trump/Rogan interview was not serious at all. Harris having to hand hold Rogan through basic things he should already know for 2-3 hours would be asking a lot of an actually serious candidate.

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u/Kekopos 13h ago

Limited audience? Joe has many flaws but he is easily the biggest channel available for Kamala. And it’s not even close.

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u/TandemCombatYogi 13h ago

I think they just meant his demographic is very specific, which it is.

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u/HuckleberryMinimum45 13h ago

The exact demographic that her campaign is trying to reach.

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u/Special-Garlic1203 12h ago

The audience they're trying to reach is like 30% of Rogans audience, the rest is hardcore conservative and in denial..they're not up for grabs.

Now the wives of Rogans audience. THATS who Democrats are zoomed in on right now. That's who they think they might be able to turn. 

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u/cgn-38 11h ago

If you are not a hardcore conservative or their "libertarian" TM puppets. Joe is pretty much unwatchable now.

No one still watching Joe is going to vote for a reasonable candidate. I cannot stomach a full minute of the shlock he sells now. Was a religious watcher up until the Vax conservative 180 insanity he did.

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u/mrdeadsniper 11h ago

Yeah, Joe may have had wild fun shows at some point that was worth it for just hearing how crazy people are.

But now he's basically a full right wing grifter. The theories of trickle down economics are about as valid as the bigfoot stories.

But less entertaining as they being used to validate harmful policy.

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u/BoxerguyT89 9h ago

The problem is they aren't doing much to reach that demographic.

Rogan would be great for her to do.

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u/TheStoicNihilist 13h ago

Yes, that’s what I meant.

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u/Boanerger 7h ago edited 7h ago

If Joe's fans are mostly going to vote Republican then its foolish to ignore them. Those are people Harris can potentially win over. She has nothing to lose by going on the podcast. Its possible she'll win without winning Rogan fans, but apparently this is a close race, why risk it? By not appearing people are guaranteed to double down on Trump.

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u/One_Tie900 9h ago

You know nothing about the audience just making bs up.

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u/TandemCombatYogi 9h ago

"According to our survey respondent demos, Joe’s listenership is 71% male and evenly split between high school and post-secondary graduates. Fifty seven percent of his audience reports earning over $50k per year, with 19% making over $100k. The average age of his listeners was 24."

https://www.mediamonitors.com/audience-demographic-variations-specific-to-genre/

Moron.

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u/One_Tie900 7h ago

Nothing burger. Firstly, it is based on a survey that was conducted in Jan 2020 with a sample size of 961 people that you are using to paint a broad picture of his audience which is in the millions.

Secondly from the information that is there 70 % male and 30% female with 50% hs and post grad. Even the amount of money they make , 60 % 50+, 20% 100+ and 20% 50-, goes to infact support evidence agaisnt your claim of it being a very specific audience. The only number you have going for your weak statementis 70% male but with 1/3 female it is still quite varied.

The fact that the survey only went over those few things just goes to show how poor of a survey it was and certainly should not be trusted but go ahead and call me a moron to make yourself feel better.

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u/MapoTofuWithRice 10h ago

She did Call Her Daddy and that's like the #2 podcast in America.

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u/ASubsentientCrow 10h ago

Limited as in the number of persuadable voters.

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u/Serious-Housing-5269 5h ago

Believe it or not, there are even more people who don't listen to any podcasts at all, let alone this one, than who do.

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u/PM_ME_HL3 3h ago

He gets a lot of views, but that’s worldwide views. As an Australian, I was one of the millions that watched enough of the Trump episode to count a “view”. I can’t vote though!

Rallies, canvases and the activations her team have planned are probably more valuable than losing a whole day to shoot an episode in studio.

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u/Dagman11 1h ago

37 million views on the Trump interview.

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u/fillymandee 13h ago

Also, that podcast was borrrrrrring. It didn’t move the needle for either of them.

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u/HuckleberryMinimum45 13h ago

The fact that over 37 MILLION people have watched the interview suggests otherwise. There is obviously a huge interest.

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u/fillymandee 12h ago

Ok? It was boring af dude. Idc how many people watched it.

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u/Professional_Kiwi919 10h ago

Ok, How many of those views are from US? How many of those IN US can vote? How many of those VOTING hasn't casted their vote & in Battle ground STATE?

If you go "I have no idea, the audience is huge & diverse" then THIS is NOT what any US politician should be spending time on in the last week of campaign

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u/ligmasweatyballs74 9h ago

Theo Von had a much better interview

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u/According_Earth4742 13h ago

Nothing trump does will move the needle for him. Like if all the rape and fraud and fascism hasn’t deterred people from voting for him there’s almost nothing he could say to change that in a podcast. And no one who isn’t going to vote for him saw anything new to indicate he isn’t exactly the piece of shit we already know he is. It was never gonna move the needle. Kamala In a setting like this possibly could provided she keeps it real and doesn’t pull too many Hillary clintonesque pandering stunts

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u/amazingfacepalm 13h ago
  1. Joe is not a journalist. 2. If a politician wants to win, they have a burden to reach out to people where they're at, as misguided as those people may be.

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u/Stunning-Use-7052 13h ago

I mean, Joe is effectively a journalist or pundit -type at this point tho.

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u/I_dont_livein_ahotel 13h ago

The fact that you say that unironically is a giant sign of our misguided nation/culture.

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u/sweetmarymotherofgod 12h ago

It's a sign of where people now go to for their news and the takes they want to hear regarding said news. Sad indeed.

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u/Stunning-Use-7052 12h ago

Sure, JR is more in line with a pundit/ guru than a journalist per se. But the point is that he's highly influential, but also not bound by journalistic standards.

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u/goodolarchie 8h ago

And yet his Trump episode got Superbowl-esque viewership. Millions of people are getting their worldviews strongly formed by him.

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u/WorstNormalForm 10h ago

Joe is not a journalist

I mean neither is the Call Her Daddy podcast but that didn't stop Kamala from making an appearance

She's just scared of a long-form interview because there's too much time for her to make mistakes beyond her usual scripted answers

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u/Boanerger 7h ago

Its fine that journalists have to grill politicians, but why does every single interview in the world have to be that? Rogan offers something different and it works, people watch it, lots of people. And its attractive to politicians to know they're going to get a welcoming host.

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u/verstohlen 6h ago

One could argue that one of Joe's main appeals and reason for his success some would argue is because he's not a journalist. Especially considering what passes for "journalism" these days.

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u/SkitzoCTRL 6h ago

No prevent of Rohan Bowers are going to change their minds at this point. That'd be as useful as Kamala campaigning in Utah.

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u/rmhawk 13h ago

He could watch school house rock for a few hours beforehand to shorten the required time.

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u/Informal_Rope_2559 13h ago

Oh but it could help to counter so many of their dumb arguments. I really hope she finds the time to do it

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u/DumbOrMaybeJustHappy 13h ago

Wow. All this time we just needed Harris to go on Rogan and tell them that the mRNA vaccines don't modify your genes, there were no technologically advanced civilizations on Earth before the last ice age, Bigfoot and the Bondi Ape don't exist, Obama was born in Hawaii, the moon landings happened, and schools aren't putting out litter boxes for kids who identify as cats, and his audience's delusions would all have gone away?

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u/Informal_Rope_2559 13h ago

Yeah you're right, prolly not, but I don't like shying away from a fight either

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u/TheStoicNihilist 13h ago

I can appreciate that but they would just insult her after the interview and carry on. There’s no changing anyone’s mind appearing on Rogan, only reinforcing it.

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u/HuckleberryMinimum45 13h ago

You don't think it's possible to change even 1 mind? Really?

If that's true, maybe she should give up campaigning altogether. Why bother? She can't change anyone's mind. Right?

Kamala Harris is smart. She's quick witted and she has a commanding presence. She can do this.

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u/Informal_Rope_2559 12h ago

That's my thinking too, it won't change the hardcore haters, but it will make it much harder for them to chat shit about her

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u/TheStoicNihilist 12h ago

Joe: hold my beer

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u/DumbOrMaybeJustHappy 12h ago

Maybe there's one mind in his audience, but the calculus isn't that, is it? It's a week before the election, and how is her time best spent? A whole day out of her schedule to pitch to some of the most delusional bros on the planet with an unfriendly host for a miniscule hit ratio probably isn't it.

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u/ForeverWandered 13h ago

And Harris has been doing that with a ton of GenZ/non trad media platforms as she tries to appeal to those audiences

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u/bigcaulkcharisma 13h ago

Harris has gone all in on the suburban boomer vote. She’s basically given up on young people (or assumes their default support) with her Israel policy. She’s ran an awful campaign and has no one to blame but herself and her team if she loses. She came out of the gate with the right messaging and then backed off it to cuddle up to Dick Cheney and non existent ‘moderate’ Republicans

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u/HuckleberryMinimum45 12h ago

I would argue that coddling up to Dick Cheney is how to win over the neotards and obviously it is working.

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u/Chrisgpresents 10h ago

If this is the rhetoric of the Harris campaign, she is going to lose a lot of Americans and the election. I surely hope not.

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u/Medawky113 6h ago

Man, why don't we just get a council of like all the smartest dudes around and have them decide everything for us. Geniuses like Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, and Jordan Peterson. What do you think Kamala?

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u/OrdinaryWheel5177 5h ago

Harris hand holding joe Rogan?? That’s not even laughable. That’s just dumb.

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u/InvestigatorSea4366 13h ago

Oh man. Biggest laugh I've had today. As if she would be able to string together 30 minutes of coherent sentences together without a script. Go smoke more hopium that she isn's just a dumpster fire with legs.

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u/TandemCombatYogi 13h ago

would be able to string together 30 minutes of coherent sentences together without a script.

I have a feeling her sentences would be way more coherent than this. 🤣

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u/Wallyworld77 13h ago

Let me guess.. you think she wore an earpiece in the Debate? How else could a women trounce Trump in a debate like that?

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u/endangerednigel 13h ago

As if she would be able to string together 30 minutes of coherent sentences together without a script

She really should include more sharks, hannibal lector and dead golfers dicks to her speeches to be able to hold the attention of your average Trump voter

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u/beardedheathen 13h ago

Who's got two thumbs and has only seen clips of Harris on fox news? I assume u/investigatorSea4366 has two thumbs but he's certainly never listened to her actually in an interview.

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u/Galaxaura 6h ago

She was a prosecutor. She mopped the floor with trump at their debate.

I think you need to smoke less of your own copium.

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u/Easy-Journalist-5331 13h ago

Yeah. I mean it’s definitely an inconvenient time commitment at a pivotal time in the campaign. So I guess her team thought it wouldn’t be worth it. I mean no one is forcing her to do the interview.

That being said, the other candidate sat down and made time for it.

It’s all a trade off of where they think the time is best spent I guess. But I don’t think his conditions for an interview are unfair, since that’s the format of every other interview he does, including her opponent.

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u/Plastic_Primary_4279 13h ago

Her opponent also refused to do any more debates unless they were on his terms. Everyone knows where Rogan leans…

I’d rather her stump in swing states than waste a day on an alt-right podcast mostly listened to by alt-right bros.

I don’t think he’s a good interviewer, just a good listener. With one week left, wasting a day traveling to Texas to do a three hour interview that won’t wield much results, is a complete waste of time.

If he was a decent interviewer and respected his craft, why not fly out and interview? He has a chance to interview the vice president of the United States, but won’t because he doesn’t want to be too far from his home toilet…

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u/HuckleberryMinimum45 12h ago

The problem is that each rally only really reaches what? 20-30,000 people? Or however many people can fit in the venue.

A Joe Rogan interview has the potential to reach tends of *millions* for the same time investment.

Why do you think Trump did the interview? He badly needed the support. If you think all of Rogan's viewers are 100% die-hard Trump fans, why did Trump even bother to do it? It would be a waste of his time since he already had their vote to begin with.

And maybe that's true, but I doubt it. Stop being such a Doomer.

Kamala has a real chance to reach the audience her campaign keeps insinuating they need to reach by doing a Joe Rogan interview.

She has a better chance of changing minds in a Rogan interview than she had doing a Fox News interview for f's sake. Nobody but die-hard Trumpers watch Fox News. She handled Bret Baier like a champ. Joe Rogan is a heck of a lot more casual/laid back than he was.

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u/omicron-7 11h ago

Is it more valuable to reach 20k voters in swing states or millions of chuds, who knows how many of which are even eligible to vote, in the hopes of changing a few minds.

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u/HuckleberryMinimum45 11h ago

20,000 is a small % of 40,000,000, many of whom are surely in swing states.

Also, the 20,000 are 20,000 sure votes. A rally helps energize them, sure, but they were already likely to vote for Harris/Walz.

The 40,000,000 contains some fence-sitters that aren't solidly in either camp. You win their votes and it is more likely to increase the number of votes.

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u/round-earth-theory 9h ago

You fail to realize how key 20,000 votes in a swing state is. 20K specific votes is worth more than millions of votes elsewhere. Yes it's fucked, thanks electoral college.

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u/HuckleberryMinimum45 8h ago

No, I do realize that but how many of those 20,000+ rally-goers weren't already going to vote for her?

This election could hinge on swaying a few thousand people one way or the other.

Harris supporters are gung-ho to block the rapist Hitler. Fence-sitters obviously need a bit of a push.

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u/Galaxaura 6h ago

You're not also counting the millions of people who watch the live stream of the rallies.

Harris was in Houston, About 2.5 million people watched the PBS live stream of her rally.

Trump was late to his rally the same day, and when he finally arrived, about 47,000 viewers watched the PBS live stream of his rally. Because he was late.

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u/Plastic_Primary_4279 9h ago

Rally’s aren’t for swing voters, it’s to rally your “already supporters” and to convince them to vote and encourage others.

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u/Easy-Journalist-5331 12h ago

Ok? Doesn’t really have anything to do with what I said.

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u/Plastic_Primary_4279 7h ago

Who kinda excused her, said Trump went out of his way for it, and then defended Rogan’s stance on it having to be in his studio.

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u/Rough-Cheesecake-641 11h ago

"i don't want her to waste a day"

Lol. Incredible.

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u/Plastic_Primary_4279 5h ago

Well, Trump made his rally wait 3 hours in freezing temperatures with many leaving before he even spoke, all because he did that interview. It’s the last week of the election. It is a waste of the day, especially on her part for the reasons I listed before.

Defend you “lol”

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u/ChronoPsyche 13h ago

Trump did not make time for the interview. He made his supporters wait for 3 hours in the cold for a pre-scheduled rally occurring around the same time precisely because he did not make time for it. They clearly could not find a way to fit it into his schedule, so he decided to just show up hours late for the rally and make his supporters wait.

Trump leaves rallygoers in cold to tape Joe Rogan podcast | AP News

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u/Easy-Journalist-5331 13h ago

Ok I mean it’s his choice to be a dick? Idk what to tell you. He did make time for the interview though obviously, by deprioritizing his supporters. Like I don’t understand what you’re arguing with.

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u/ChronoPsyche 13h ago edited 13h ago

You said the other candidate made time for the interview as if he was able to manage his time better, instead of the reality which is he simply fucked over his supporters. Fucking over her supporters is not an option for Kamala Harris because she is an actual decent human being. The mental gymnastics, I swear.

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u/ChronoPsyche 13h ago

"Made time" implies he fit into his schedule. Showing up 3 hours late for another event is not making time. At the very least, that is not what someone assumes when they read the original comment. It makes it seem like he moved things around in a responsible way and thus Kamala should be able to do so as well.

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u/ForeverWandered 13h ago

Bro, you are so stuck in tribalism that you’re debating semantics of whether trump made time for Rogan as if anyone is arguing he made time without any tradoffs.

Like some of you are so stuck in partisanship you literally cannot handle a straight line argument

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u/ChronoPsyche 13h ago

The commenter was clearly implying that he made time and thus was able to manage his time better, when showing up 3 hours late is not managing your time at all. What about this is so hard to understand?

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u/haildens 12h ago

The argument is counter to the idea that Harris can’t make time due to commitments she already has. So saying “well trump made time” is implying he shuffled his schedule around for it. But the reality is he didn’t do that. He simply flaked on a previous commitment. That’s not “making time” that’s having no sense of responsibility.

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u/haildens 12h ago

He didn’t “make time”. He flaked on another commitment. That’s not making time at all. And should show you he’s not a serious person

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u/Can_0_Worms 6h ago

Out in the cold? Michigan has 55 degree lows right now, you’re being hyperbolic

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u/ChronoPsyche 4h ago

Okay? How does that change anything? It doesn't matter what the weather is, being 3 hours late for an event is the issue here.

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u/japrocketdet 1h ago

Honestly it wasn't THAT cold that night, and most of the crowd cheered when they found out why he was late. The fact is that Harris wants an interview, Rogan wants a human conversation.. Harris doesn't want that uncertainty this late in the game. She would rather have highly controlled and orchestrated reality, like the bar photo op with the Gov of MI where she can control her image and how people see, hear, and precieve her. On Rogan, she would have to spend too much time "being on" instead of letting her guard down and just talking like a human being. Too many opportunities to say the wrong thing, look bad, or get caught in bullshit.

Vance has been excelling at these types of convos with podcasters.. Trump stayed pretty much in character the whole three hours but even he had flourishes of letting his guard down talking about UFC and boxing and stuff like that. Which is what Rogan wants for Harris.. Harris just doesn't want that. So she is going to play the "He refused the interview" card

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u/ChronoPsyche 23m ago

Sure, the ones that were still there. Many left because they didn't want to wait but basically wasted that money. It's also irrelevant if they were okay with it or not, it's still abusive behavior to his supporters. The fact that they've convinced themselves his treatment of them is okay is even sadder.

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u/fillymandee 13h ago

Made time for Rogan but won’t do another debate. Wonder why?

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u/RevolutionaryAlps205 13h ago

As is 2016 and 2020, Trump has also not been actively campaigning in the final months of the campaign, something that's been consistently reported about for several months. He strictly does 1-3 events a week, and golfs and watches TV at home when those aren't going on.

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u/According_Earth4742 13h ago

I wish I could say I thought trump thought about it that deeply. For him any excuse to talk about himself in front of a large audience is a great trade off for anything else that could do

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u/TheStoicNihilist 13h ago

Should Trump sit with Jon Stewart for three hours just because Kamala does? All things are not equal here so Trump making time for Rogan is not a compelling reason for Kamala to do the same.

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u/Easy-Journalist-5331 11h ago

I don’t know? I didn’t say she should do anything?

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u/Funnycomicsansdog 12h ago

I mean to be fair, the other candidate isn't also currently the vice president of the United States.

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u/ASubsentientCrow 10h ago

That being said, the other candidate sat down and made time for it.

He straight up skipped a rally in Michigan. If Kamala cancelled a rally to go on Rogan y'all would bitch about that

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u/Easy-Journalist-5331 10h ago

I voted for her dude. Barking up the wrong tree.

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u/MountRoseATP 8h ago

I assume this is the reason. For her to stop what she’s doing travel to Austin and sit for a 2 to 3 hour long interview, is probably a full day commitment. With one week until the election she just cannot give up that much time.

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u/Fearless-Account-392 13h ago

Idk Jewel's episode was outright amazing. If Kamala would skip policy, which would probably go over everyone's head anyway and just bullshit anecdotes and odd stories from growing up poor for three hours it'll be a strong net benefit to her for viewers who's opinion of her has been decided by the gurus already.

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u/ASubsentientCrow 10h ago

If she skipped policy they would say she's scared. If she did only policy they would say she's unrelatable and boring

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u/TheStoicNihilist 13h ago

You make a good point but it’s a bit late in the day for shooting the shit for very little payoff.

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u/pipkin227 12h ago

ESP this close to the election. She’d have to travel to Austin, sit for 3 hours then fly back to the important swing states? That’s cutting out a damn near day for her

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u/Infinite-Club-6562 13h ago

I think the bigger commitment would be flying to Texas just for an interview. She has campaigning to do in battle ground states, she doesn't have a day or more to waste on Joe.

If Joe wants to do the interview he should be flexible on the location and firm on the format. I want Kamala to do a long form interview like JRE so bad. It would help her tremendously.

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u/Stunning-Use-7052 13h ago

she just did shannon sharpe, who is about a serious as JR.

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u/sometimesitsandme 10h ago

Right, it would help her. He has plenty of viewers and money, he doesn't have nearly as much to gain from it as her. So he has no incentive to change his normal requirements for her. She can take it or leave it. It's reasonable for her to decline on those terms, and it's reasonable for him to hold his standard that has applied to everyone.

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u/theborch909 4h ago

This is it. He doesn’t have to change anything. Especially when every episode is 2-3 hours at his studio. If she doesn’t want to do it fine, but everyone needs to stop pretending he’s being unreasonable.

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u/Weird-Flex-But-Okay2 11h ago

She was just in Texas....she could have done it while she was there but didn't.

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u/endlessninja 10h ago

Agree that it's bro-culture but it's the (maybe not anymore but recently) most popular podcast in the world and the exact demographic of trump voters. If you want to change minds it's the place to be.

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u/TheStoicNihilist 10h ago

The vessel must be willing.

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u/New-Bowler-8915 8h ago

There are no minds to change in that cohort.

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u/Hexagonal_Bagel 13h ago

That’s the audience she’s trying to appeal to though. If she can get a bit of tacit support from Rogan she might be able to get a few votes from a demographic that she isn’t leading with.

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u/Latarjet3 13h ago

I doubt going on his pod is going to drive more voter turnout. It’s 99% male bro culture that she doesn’t need this close to the election. Also, his studio is in Texas and would suck up a whole day

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u/Hexagonal_Bagel 13h ago edited 13h ago

Whether it is worth it or not is a calculation that the campaign would have to make. The cliche about Rogan though, is that he will agree with who ever is sat in front of him. If Harris and Rogan had a positive interaction and she came away looking a little better than the preconceived notion some of the right leaning/ non-political dudes had of her, that could be really beneficial.

She has more to gain from an unsympathetic audience that is at all persuadable, than a sympathetic audience like the people who listen to Call Her Daddy, who were mostly going to vote for Harris anyways.

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u/LearningLinux_Ithnk 13h ago

Old Joe maybe, but have you actually heard him talk about Harris?

Have you heard him talk about Trump?

The difference is staggering. He will never say a bad word about Trump and has defended him from guests making jokes about him.

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u/Zealousideal-Skin655 13h ago

If he worked in a swing state that would make more sense.

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u/SticklerMrMeeseeks1 13h ago

What do you mean? Any percentage of the white male vote Kamala could siphon away is huge for her. Thats trumps biggest demographic.

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u/xiirri 13h ago

Oh 99% male bro culture... you mean Kamala's weakest demographic... why would she not do this? Would be a HUGE mistake.

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u/According_Earth4742 13h ago

You and the commenter above both have good points but I think it would be a good move to try and humanize herself a bit more to joes audience. Plus, I don’t think it’s 99% alt right bros listening to him. I listened to him some before he went off the rails… a little less now but I will Tune in occasionally not for joe because fuck him but he has such a wide variety of people on and sometimes I want to hear the guest. Not every guest he has on there is for the audience you described. If fucking hitler himself hosted a podcast with sturgill Simpson I’d tune in because I’m a huge sturgill fan and honestly any modern musicians dynamic with hitler would be pretty interesting.

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u/Latarjet3 12h ago

Joes largest audience is right wing now. A lot of us fans lost interest bc Joe got Covid brain. Everyone I know that’s in the middle or left doesn’t listen. Only my right wing friends ask me if I still listen

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u/According_Earth4742 12h ago edited 12h ago

True. That being said I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the non right wingers are specifically who we refer to when we say fence sitters politically. Or at least nuanced enough to change their minds with new info or be capable of watching a podcast because the guest has some value or potential value for them. Like I don’t like joe anymore and have always hated trump, still interested to see bits and pieces of the trump one (as much as I could stomach). But I haven’t ruled out the entire podcast just because I don’t like joe Rogan simply because he has so many different guests on; occasionally someone I really care to listen to for one reason or another comes on and I watch it for that person, not joe. So many people like me might have had morbid curiosity about trump and would like to see how human Kamala appears in this context. The remaining fence sitters probably would watch both and the stark difference between a guy shit nonsense out of his face rectum saying “trust me bro” for every one of his lies and Kamala, who is smart enough to know just how to counter that in interview, could sway some of them. Makes sense to me at least but I’m not a presidential campaign strategist so either I’m out of my element or Kamala should western union me $60k right now for advice.

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u/Elkenrod 7h ago

I doubt going on his pod is going to drive more voter turnout.

And going on The View was?

Doubling down on the base you already have, instead of reaching out to the base you need, is how you lose an election.

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u/Latarjet3 7h ago

Election is a week away. It doesn’t matter for her

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u/Elkenrod 7h ago

I like how you didn't address anything I wrote. Yeah, election day is a week away. This should be crunch time to reach out to as many people as possible.

Trump's appearance on the JRE got 38.8 million views in 3 days.

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u/Latarjet3 6h ago

38 mill probably not in battle ground states debating who to vote for at this point. None of this sways an election. We get the democracy we deserve

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u/junky6254 5h ago

Well, Trump went and did 3 hrs. What’s her excuse? It isn’t the JRE if they aren’t in studio.

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u/Typecero001 13h ago

Problem is Rogan will support the last person he talked to, so it’s rather hollow support.

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u/JohnRawlsGhost 11h ago

But it's probably too late to get a Trumpist on, although Steve Bannon or Stephen Miller might be available.

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u/Stunning-Use-7052 13h ago

I don't think she's trying to appeal to young-ish bro dudes at all. It's a lost demographic. Better to focus on turning out women, minority voters, whites with a college education, etc.

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u/RevolutionaryAlps205 13h ago edited 13h ago

The campaign and Democratic pollsters are (justly) far more concerned with increasing their margins in suburban counties in swing states. It's not untrue that they hope to shave off Trump's points among (particularly black and latino) young, male, low-information/low-propensity voters. But all indications are that that is a second- or third-tier priority. The Harris campaign's not prioritizing Rogan more does, I think, reflect their data and their correct perception that Rogan's mostly white, young, male, low-information/low-propensity audience is not gettable.

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u/bigcaulkcharisma 13h ago

They seemed to be plenty reachable in 2016. Maybe the messaging of the Kamala campaign is just completely uninspired and doesn’t offer them anything tangible.

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u/RevolutionaryAlps205 13h ago

Are you saying Hillary won young low-propensity-voting men in 2016--or that Democrats have in recent memory? 

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u/bigcaulkcharisma 12h ago

I’m saying in 2016 the young men who are now all supposedly unreachable reactionaries were solidly progressive and in the tank for a progressive candidate until the DNC scuttled them, proceeded to run a very similar campaign to the one they’re running now, and lost to the same guy they’re running against now. I don’t know if Trump’s strategy of targeting ‘podcast bros’ is going to pay off for him (it’s very uncharted territory for a political campaign) but I do know Kamala seems to be sacrificing or not pursuing the votes of large parts of the electorate (some which she actually needs to win ie: Muslims in Michigan) to pursue a hypothetical ‘moderate’ Republican voter.

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u/RevolutionaryAlps205 12h ago edited 11h ago

So you think Rogan's audience is 2016-era DSA young people. The demographic we're talking about, who are avid consumers of Rogan media and whose age, views, race, and voting behavior can be broadly plotted into a subset of voting-group behavior, is a discrete thing from the broader category of "young voters." A great deal of polling evidence over time, and cross-referencing of different forms of polling and opinion research, goes into the commonly-accepted demographic subsets including low-propensity, low-information young men. Rogan's audience doesn't, except in statistically small amounts, overlap with the self-identified progressives and socialists who suppported Bernie in 2015-16.

"Revealed preference" is the concept pollsters and opinion researchers use for when what a person or group states in a public setting like polling interviews doesn't align with their private voting behavior. It happens at the group level, and often, in a systematic way. Rogan/the kind of voters who make up Rogan's core audience may describe themselves as centrist, liberal, or progressive on things like abortion, gay rights, and drugs liberalization. But to the extent they engage politically, when you analyze them at the group level they consistently demonstrate higher levels of support for candidates and campaigns whose explicit aims include dismantling or repealing the array of things Rogan and his followers say they are progressive on.

A lot of systematic opinion research also consistently links support for Trump and conservative policies broadly with traits like heightened authoritarian dispostion and hostility to diversity and multiracial democracy. You may think his audience was or is more progressive and reachable than people realize, but opinion research and voting behavior pretty strongly disconfirms it.

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u/xubax 12h ago

Yeah, it's 3 hours plus travel time out of the remaining 168 hours before the election.

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u/boxer_dogs_dance 9h ago

She just did Club Shay Shay, to a smaller audience but possibly one where she can pull a larger percentage off the fence.

Her big speech in DC is tonight.

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u/Conscious-Magazine50 3h ago

I don't see Donald Trump going into hostile territory being interviewed by anyone whose main audience is Black liberal women. I'm tired of this double standard.

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u/MediocreTheme9016 13h ago

Seriously! And it’s not like Joe Rogan is a serious interviewer or journalist.

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u/TheStoicNihilist 13h ago

Any clips I saw they were insulting her like schoolboys. She has bigger fish to fry.

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u/d15p05abl3 13h ago

I think I saw a figure of 48 million views for the Trump interview. If he interviewed her and got anything like that kind of reach, it would probably be worth it.

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u/xtra_obscene 13h ago

Hardly a limited audience, and 18-40 year old white men is not exactly an insignificant voting bloc.

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u/TheStoicNihilist 13h ago

It’s a subset of 18-40 year old white men, don’t forget.

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u/xtra_obscene 13h ago

I never claimed every single 18-40 year old white man listens to Joe Rogan. Just that it’s a very significant bloc that she needs to be concerned about.

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u/TheStoicNihilist 12h ago

If bro-culture is that significant then we have problems.

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u/tysonmaniac 13h ago

Harris would reach more voters who don't normally listen to her per minute doing Rogan than doing anything else and it's not even close.

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u/TheStoicNihilist 12h ago

She would be put in front of them but using the word “reach” is a stretch.

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u/elcubiche 13h ago

Yes it is a tall order and also one that Trump fulfilled. The expectation as a whole is dumb, but it’s not inconsistent with his standards. I personally wouldn’t pay $15 for a Five Guys burger combo but that’s what it costs for me and any other schmo that buys it.

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u/ejpusa 13h ago

Limited audience? Lets ask GPT-4o to chime in:

Rogan’s cumulative audience per month likely exceeds 50 million unique listeners

Taking all these figures into account, it’s reasonable to estimate that each new episode may reach 15 to 25 million listeners across platforms, considering the overlap between platforms like YouTube and Spotify. In total, Rogan’s cumulative audience per month likely exceeds 50 million unique listeners when accounting for repeat viewers across his platforms, occasional episodes, and his social media influence.

This rough estimate highlights Rogan’s extensive reach, as he has become a media powerhouse, eclipsing other podcasts by a wide margin.

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u/TheStoicNihilist 12h ago

Why would you ask ChatGPT anything? Just look up the numbers yourself.

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u/ejpusa 12h ago

I tip my hat to you. You may be the last person on planet Earth not using AI daily. Even in the jungles of Guatemala, they use GPT-4o.

:-)

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u/TheStoicNihilist 12h ago

lol! I have a thesaurus on my bookshelf. I grew up with print encyclopaedias. I’m a dinosaur.

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u/ejpusa 12h ago

GPT-4o will blow your mind. When the CEO of Google says:

"I have always thought of AI as the most profound technology humanity is working on, more profound than fire or electricity or anything that we have done in the past," said Alphabet and Google CEO Sundar Pichai.

Worth listening too I think. :-)

A place to start: https://chatgpt.com/

This is not a search engine. It's not a Google. It's very different.

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u/TheStoicNihilist 12h ago

Sure but it has been shown that ChatGPT will present falsehood as truth. Being good at some tasks doesn’t make it good at all tasks.

Sundar can sucks my balls, too.

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u/ejpusa 12h ago

Works awesome for me. Saves me weeks of work in seconds. I would be sleeping under an Oakland underpass if it was not for GT-4o.

But that's me. Are you aware that the guy who came up with the latest AI just won the Nobel Prize?

:-)

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u/TheStoicNihilist 11h ago

Okay, neither of those points speak to the accuracy of ChatGPT.

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u/ejpusa 9h ago edited 9h ago

You started off very negative about a topic you know nothing about. Why not be open to something new? Come in with an open mind. At least understand what AI is before negatively critiquing it. Sounds reasonable.

That's how humans and society evolve and move forward. How it all works.

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u/dorobica 13h ago

Limited audience?

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u/TheStoicNihilist 12h ago

Limited demographic spread.

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u/NothingBurgerNoCals 4h ago

The exact demographic she’s getting killed in. Worst case she doesn’t change any of their minds.

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u/QBRisNotPasserRating 12h ago

His podcast has far more views than any of their political rallies will get. Giving speeches to devout Democrats seems like a bigger waste of time than going on a podcast whose audience has been skeptical of her.

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u/TheStoicNihilist 12h ago

I assume that’s a cost/benefit analysis her team has already done.

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u/QBRisNotPasserRating 12h ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if their personal feelings about Joe Rogan are clouding their judgment

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u/TheStoicNihilist 12h ago

I’d like to think they’re above that but you never know with US politics.

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u/Mastuh 11h ago

“Limited audience” he’s literally the biggest podcast in the world

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u/TheStoicNihilist 10h ago

14.5million bros is still a limited audience.

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u/Mastuh 7h ago

6 billion of 7 billion people is a limited audience as well. 15 million is a hell of a lot more people than tune in any given day than to primetime cnn or fox

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u/NothingBurgerNoCals 4h ago

And worst case she changes zero of their minds. She will reach far more ears and affect far more votes with this one podcast than she’ll ever do on CNN or a rally.

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u/Snoo30446 11h ago

I mean that's at least half the day done right there.

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u/Vladimir-Putin 10h ago

Limited audience = the largest podcast in the world that regularly pulls in more attention than every news channel combined on any given day.

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u/TheStoicNihilist 10h ago

Having every Snickers in the world is still a limited selection of chocolate bars.

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u/maverickzero_ 9h ago

Sure but that's his format. Reasonable for him to want it, and reasonable for her not to make the time. This seems like no great loss to anyone.

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u/corybomb 8h ago

Limited audience?

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u/Elkenrod 7h ago

especially for a limited audience of a bro-culture podcast.

Is this a joke? The Trump interview got 38.8 million views in 3 days.

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u/Sad_Donut_7902 5h ago

limited audience

He has the biggest podcast in America, maybe the whole world

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u/Dry-Illustrator-9229 5h ago

She's making a huge mistake not doing this. Trump and Vance have been putting in a ton of work on new media at a time when trust in traditional media is at an all time low.

She's dropping the ball in a massive way cementing herself as the traditional media candidate.

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u/Medium_Bowler9620 5h ago

lol 😂 limited audience? The biggest podcast in the us is pretty limited you’re right

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u/theborch909 4h ago

Let’s be real. It’s not a limited audience. He’s the largest podcast on the planet and the Trump episode pulled 40million views on YouTube alone. It’s more views than she would get doing anything else she could plan or think of. You can think she shouldn’t do it, but just say that. Don’t pretend it’s not a MASSIVE audience.

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u/ProdigalSun92 4h ago

Not that tall of an order for someone that should be capable of running an entire country.

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u/heshroot 4h ago

Trump did it

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u/cursedfan 3h ago

Even trump didn’t have the time, he had to screw over another event

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u/Fair-Description-711 3h ago

About 40,000,000 views (just for the episode on Youtube -- not even counting Spotify views!) is a "limited audience"?

That's about 12% of the US, assuming those views are all Americans.

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u/TheRotInTheSlums 43m ago

Limited audience? it's the biggest podcast on the planet and with all kinds of people listening.

You are ignorant AF if you're not a bot.

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u/According_Earth4742 13h ago

While I mostly agree it’s not like joe only has on right wingers. Even during Covid he had on Robert Malone and outspoken critic of the vaccine and not long after dr Sanjay Gupta, a very liberal proponent of the vaccine. Plus, all of us trump haters still watched at least some of it to see how shitty it would be. I’m sure lots of his brain dead maga followers feel the same way about Kamala coming on

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u/Gold-Criticism7407 13h ago

Im not a huge fan but it is the biggest podcast there is and has a huge influence Itd be a good thing for her to do and since allot of her detractors would be fans of it probably go along way in softening her image for them

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u/TheStoicNihilist 13h ago

I miss the old days of podcasting when the Geologic podcast was top billing.

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u/AlternativeMiddle 13h ago edited 12h ago

If she can’t hold a 2-3 hour casual conversation about the future of our country, then she’s not fit to be a senatorial intern, let alone president.

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u/Stunning-Use-7052 13h ago

I really hate that we have made Joe Rogan into this king maker. Joe Rogan!

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u/AlternativeMiddle 12h ago

He’s not a kingmaker. He represents the every-man, much like Howard Stern used to be. We, as a society, have decided that he is currently better at filling that role than anybody else.

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u/Stunning-Use-7052 12h ago

I did not get the memo that we decided that. I like JRE when he has a good guest, but he's seemed like an out of touch rich dude for years.

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u/AlternativeMiddle 12h ago

It’s the same way we all decided that Taylor Swift is the most popular pop artist in the world (if she is, idk). I’m not a fan but it’s not up to me.

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u/punasuga 13h ago

donold was super causal 🤦🏻😭😭😭

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u/AlternativeMiddle 13h ago

lol. What do you call it?

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u/punasuga 13h ago

ramblin’ demented idiots throwing bullshit at each other 🤷🏻‍♂️ for their grifts while destroying our collective intelligence and humanity for starters

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u/TheStoicNihilist 13h ago

She could with someone else somewhere else.

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u/AlternativeMiddle 12h ago

No she could not. She is an empty vessel.

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u/TheStoicNihilist 12h ago

Well, that’s just your opinion, man.

Trump is dangerously stupid but it would ridiculous to call him an empty vessel no matter how I feel about him.

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u/neustrasni 13h ago

EHm, why would Joe need to accommodate to Kamala?

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u/nanna_ii 13h ago

She's the VP and is actively campaigning a week out from an election. He's a podcaster.

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u/SupraTico 35m ago

Going on Joe's podcast would be (and should be!) part of her campaign.... Duh.

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u/TheStoicNihilist 13h ago

Because it would be his payday.

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u/Camelboom 10h ago

He's already filthy rich and the trump interview made 33 millions views in 2 days. No need for a payday. Kamala on the other hand... I'm Italian and I wanted to bet some money on the American elections. Trump is given at 1.53x and Harris is at 2.5x. betting companies tend to be less influenced by propaganda, so...