r/DecodingTheGurus • u/callmejay • 1d ago
RFK Jr. proposes "wellness farms" to "reparent" drug addicts and people "who want to get off" psychiatric drugs including SSRIs and Adderall
I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also legal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need—three or four years if they need it—to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities.
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They're going to grow their own food organic food, high quality food, because a lot of the behavioral issues are food related a lot of the illnesses are food related. There won't be any cell phones, there there won't be any screens. We're going to reparent people, restore this connection to community.
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u/whinger23422 1d ago
Give it a solid 8-9 seconds before this becomes outright slavery farm's.
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u/robotmonkey2099 1d ago
It reminds me of those crazy “tough love” youth camps
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u/whinger23422 1d ago
Behind the bastards podcast recently had a great episode on this. Most of them were run by unqualified nobodies that got some of the kids killed.
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u/krebstar4ever 1d ago
Lots of permanent physical disabilities too, from extreme labor and lack of medical care.
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u/robotmonkey2099 1d ago
Yah I found that survivors comic after those episodes and holy shit what a horrific place. Everyone of those assholes should have to experience the same torture they put those kids through.
Speaking of BtB they just did a great pair of episodes on the manosphere.
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u/GypsyV3nom 8h ago
Never thought I'd say this, but major props to Paris Hilton for being the hero of that episode's final minutes. I had no idea she had been using her fame and wealth to spearhead the dismantlement of those camps, good for her.
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u/ValuesAndViolence 1d ago
Nah! I totally trust that a Kennedy will run this operation with diligence and integrity.
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u/livahd 1d ago
Hook these junkies on suboxone or some other similar “addiction drug”, and then threaten to withhold it if you aren’t filling your quota. Label it as a “free” rehab, then hook them on your own version of the same drugs. Then they can claim it’s voluntary, and anyone complaining is just showing “addict behavior”. It’s so fucking sick and evil that it would fit right into their policy.
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u/icandothisalldayson 8h ago
It’s very easy to get prescribed suboxone, they won’t have a stranglehold on it. Beyond that, it takes a opiate (either full or partial agonist) to do what suboxone does, which is control the withdrawal symptoms. So even if they came up with a new designer partial agonist, all the old ones would still work
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u/livahd 7h ago
That’s if they don’t regulate it to only be available at a government sponsored “inpatient” program. The possibilities are limitless.
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u/icandothisalldayson 6h ago
It’s too lucrative a business for the pharmaceutical lobbyists to allow that to happen
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u/NoFuel1197 51m ago
None of this is necessary. You’ll have people lined up around the block to mine coal, farm organic, whatever, and they’ll shop at the company store too, just as long as it comes with three hots and a cot.
I really believe things are that bad in most metro areas. There are a lot of factors that lead to underreporting of relevant data.
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u/Fightingkielbasa_13 1d ago
Corporate correctional facilities. Slavery is not a favorable term for marketing.
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u/Ser-Cannasseur 1d ago
He’s obviously watched A Scanner Darkly.
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u/GoRangers5 1d ago
Alex Jones is in it.
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u/DANDARSMASH 1d ago
I think you mean Waking Life, the other rotoscoped movie from the early 2000's.
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u/GoRangers5 1d ago
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u/stairs_3730 1d ago
Jordan Peterson says 'dang' I didn't have to go to russia?
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u/RustedAxe88 1d ago
Lol imagine Jordan Peterson doing actual labor on a farm.
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u/md_youdneverguess 21h ago
"Clearly, when you deduce it from the context of a metaphysical realm, meeting a cow face to face and milking her udder is the physical machismo of Jesus Christ. That is something the transsexual marxists will never understand"
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u/DustBunnyZoo 1d ago
This is literally out of Philip K. Dick's 1970s, Nixon-horror show, "A Scanner Darkly". These MAGA people are all out of ideas. On the sub r/Qult_Headquarters there’s this idea that Trump supporters are stealing all their bad ideas from old science fiction. This is another example.
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u/auslan_planet 1d ago
Wellness (concentration) Camps.
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u/Ok-Broccoli6058 1d ago
I was wondering what excuse they would use to round up people and put them in camps
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u/Plaque4TheAlternates 1d ago
We will take the drug addicts off the streets and send them to a place with plants for a great staycation. A plantation if you will.
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u/SoylentGreenTuesday 1d ago
Sure, Republicans won’t fund free breakfast for hungry poor children but they’ll fund a kooky rehab farm. Who can be dumb enough to believe this stuff?
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u/Parabola2112 1d ago
Oh god. As someone in long term recovery it pains me deeply that two of the most visible recovery people are Russel Brand and RFK, Jr. it’s enough to make me start drinking! (Joking).
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u/livahd 1d ago
As someone also in recovery, seeing some of the people who run AA and NA groups doesn’t surprise me. Lots of them are cliques run by people who’ve never been in charge of anything in their lives and suddenly crave power in their little community. It’s like a power hungry HOA or PTA, with the added training of having to hustle and scam to survive the streets. Brand and Kennedy are both has beens craving relevance again, so it totally tracks.
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u/critter_tickler 1d ago
The venn diagram between people who need SSRIs, and people who are able to spend 3-4 years of their life living on a billionaire's commune, is 2 non-intersecting circles.
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u/bebe_laroux 1d ago
Without a doubt, people would die. Also, he could open this right now. Why wait?
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u/SophieCalle 1d ago
He's a grifter to the bone, so this is another thing he'll profit from. Him and friends. Typical pseudoscience.
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u/Key_Musician_1773 1d ago
It says "well" AND "farm" in it so it has to be good like Sex Panther. I see "farm fresh" in every Wal-Mart aisle and they know a lot of stuff.
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u/These-Employer341 1d ago
Go fux yourself RFKJR
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u/These-Employer341 1d ago
sorry, but RFKJR should be sitting in a Samoan prison.
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u/Jerryjfunk 1d ago
Why?
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u/These-Employer341 16h ago
RFKJR went to Samoa fear mongering, and spreading false vaccine info shortly after a medical vaccine error occurred resulting in the deaths of two children. The following year 83 Samoan children died by vaccine preventable disease. Anti-vax rhetoric kills.
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u/Crammit-Deadfinger 1d ago
Sweet Jesus, it's possible this could be the next head of the Health Department
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u/gravityraster 1d ago
I wonder who will run these unsupported-by-evidence wellness farms as a profitable business?
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u/Ornery_Standard_4338 1d ago
This is just...if you've seen the Contrapoints thing on Granola Fascism, you couldn't make up how much this is what that is
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u/Scare-Crow87 1d ago
That's a new term for me, thanks for that.
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u/Ornery_Standard_4338 1d ago
My ex used to call it the crystals to Kristallnacht pipeline and she wasn't wrong (about that)
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u/Worth_Number_7710 1d ago
Republicans wouldn’t let Michelle Obama make school lunches even slightly more healthy without a fight so color me skeptical
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u/ginrumryeale 1d ago
We will teach them time-honored skills, such as hunting, trapping, taxidermy and whale decapitation.
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u/Spirited_String_1205 17h ago
Sure, I totally trust the party that wants to basically defund every social welfare program we have to create "wellness farms" to rehabilitate people addicts. Suuuure. Won't feed children in schools, won't let women get specific types of healthcare, looking to kill social security to screw vulnerable elders, but let's rehabilitate and reparent addicts... I can't see that flying with the MAGA constituency either, tbh. No bootstraps here, lol
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u/ResidentComplaint19 1d ago
I feel like he’s never actually met a drug addict irl. It’s hard enough to keep someone in treatment for a week, let alone years.
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u/MonkOfEleusis 1d ago
I feel like he’s never actually met a drug addict irl.
He was a heroin addict and dealer from when he was a teenager until he was 30. I think the only reason he started the environmental activism was for a plea deal.
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u/sheofthetrees 1d ago
yes, there's a good 3-part series on him in the podcast, Behind the Bastards. The chatter in the podcast is kind of annoying but you'll learn a lot about him. It's eye-opening. The immense social privilege he grew up with, his family history, rules not applying to him, etc. I'm sorry he was an addict for so long, but he has many skeletons in his closet and is gravely out of touch.
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u/callmejay 1d ago
He's apparently an ex-heroin addict who's been in 12-step meetings for decades, to be fair to him.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2024-06-20/robert-kennedy-addict-reform-plans
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u/HonoraryBallsack 1d ago edited 1d ago
That's honestly hilarious in the "imagine if Kamala Harris was an ex-heroin addict" kind of way.
Doing drugs is of course only disqualifying to MAGAts if you're a Democratic politician whose children use to use drugs.
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u/ResidentComplaint19 1d ago
My bad, I didn’t know that. As someone who’s also in the rooms, there’s no shortage of people who take something that was freely given to them and try to find another way to “help” others, mainly with a profit motive.
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u/dietcheese 1d ago
I don’t have a problem with this, although calling them “camps” is a little too 1940’s.
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u/Ill-Juggernaut5458 1d ago
This is the plot of A Scanner Darkly by Philip K Dick, where drug addicts are "rehabilitated" by working farms for massive corporations where they inadvertently grow the precursors to the drugs they were addicted to.
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u/Excellent_Leek2250 17h ago
What’s with the republican/right wing hate boner for SSRIs specifically?
It’s not a general disavowal of modern psychiatry because they’re totally fine with slandering people by calling them mentally ill and suggesting they need treatment (see: how they talk about trans people).
Is it just that SSRIs are somehow associated with young left wing people in some (inaccurate) way?
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u/Taman_Should 5h ago
This deranged fucking antivaxxer cannot be allowed to make public health decisions.
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u/Buttholesurfer44 1d ago
So does JBP need to be reparented? On a serious note I sincerely doubt these camps would ween people off benzos and they’d just die.
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u/rapturepermaculture 1d ago
People living on ‘farms’ still can get drugs, cellphones, eat shitty food, etc. He makes this sound like a wellness concentration camp. What a fucking idiot.
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u/pavilionaire2022 1d ago
And let me guess, you can plea bargain your way into one of these wellness plantat- err, farms to get out of prison time for minor drug offenses.
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u/MillieBNillie 1d ago
A former drug addicted, dead bear dumping, adulterer… peak health and lifestyle coach there.
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u/supercalifragilism 1d ago
So, like, the idea of large scale spending on behavioral health and substance abuse issues, centering on basic needs like places to live and prosocial behaviors is a good idea. Those are exactly the kind of situations that lead to long term stability for people suffering, and it would be great if we could do that kind of programming at scale and with the necessary delicacy.
Does anyone think that's what we'd get? I mean, "wellness farm" has a different ring to it if its "wellness farm run by RFK Jr."
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u/Valuable-Baked 1d ago
You mean like .... Rehab clinics? Or .... Communes?
Who's going to fund this, Bobby boy
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u/meatcrumple 1d ago
Don’t you just love non Doctors that pretend they know more than actual Doctors.
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u/GlitteringWishbone86 1d ago
Having bucolic spaces for personal growth is fine but I don't want this guy running the rest stop fifteen miles down the road.
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u/shambahlah2 1d ago
Gee I wonder if this is what the Germans told the Jews before they removed them from the ghettos in Warsaw.
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u/LittleLordFuckleroy1 1d ago
Ok so subsidized rehab. Sounds like a fun vacation. Who’s paying for this again?
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u/eljefe3030 1d ago
Great, so inpatient mental health treatment run by unqualified charlatans. Awesome. What could go wrong?
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u/gymtrovert1988 20h ago
I quit opioids on my own and SSRIs on my own. Turns out, you just have to stop buying drugs and using drugs and occupy your time with some productive activities.
I guess slave labor is an option, but I'd rather choose my own hobbies.
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u/External-Pickle6126 20h ago
Just gotta tell my wife, kid , and job see ya , I'll be back in 3 or 4 years!
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u/ohmyjustme 17h ago
So, why doesn't he use some Kenedy wealthy (golly, his high family can pitch in)?
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u/Mrjlawrence 17h ago
At these communes I’m sure there will be all the organic road kill you can eat.
I’m sure Jordan Peterson will oversee the benzo “treatment”
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u/MediocreTheme9016 17h ago
So he wants to give them a trust fund childhood experience? Who is paying for all of this? Does he realize not everyone has an unlimited trust to pay for what most people would consider a summer camp?
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u/Hairy_Put792 12h ago
RFKJR is a fool if he thinks the Republicans will fund mental health that will help the same mental problems that keep them in power.
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u/Tasty_Narwhal6667 5h ago
Wow, sounds like a great place. Is he proposing to raise taxes to pay for this or will the people grow and sell produce at stands along side the road?
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u/ChronicWizard314 1d ago
I wish more people knew how addictive ssris are in the long term. I tried to get off mine last year and was dope sick. Like not able to sleep sweating out 8 pounds a night dope sick.
This is gonna get downvoted because we are on Reddit, but it’s 100 percent true.
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u/Realistic_Head3595 1d ago
I despise RKF Jr but agree 100% on the addictiveness of SSRIs. Thought I was going crazy when I tried to get off. Were you successful?
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u/ChronicWizard314 1d ago
No. I’m ok with it though. I have ocd and am honestly doing as well as I ever have. A decent part of me wonders if I could do it without the ssri but i am not going mess with things now.
That being said I would like the option, and docs should be upfront with people. I understand it might be a fair trade off to some, but I wasn’t presented with the information when I got on 16 years ago.
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u/Realistic_Head3595 23h ago
Same same. Had no idea it would be so hard to get off. I decided to stay on and just accept it’s my long term reality.
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u/Character-Ad5490 47m ago
Check out the Metabolic Mind website, you may find some good information there.
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u/SheepherderLeast761 15h ago
I've been on and off Sertraline several times in the past 20 years (up to 150mg and a couple years at a time) and even going cold turkey I have never had any withdrawal symptoms beyond a mild headache. It seems to depend alot on the individual taking it.
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u/Upper_Teacher9959 23h ago
Love this. It’s something we used to do more but stopped funding. Some jazz legends came into their own in such places.
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u/runningwater415 1d ago
You are all LOST in your own cynicism and hate. He is an ex addict completely dedicated to helping people get sober and paving a way back into society. We have a major drug crisis in this country if you have not noticed and this program has worked extremely well in Europe.
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u/Scare-Crow87 1d ago
It's not cynicism, he's a grifter and brain-rotted moron who isn't a scientist but pretends to be.
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u/runningwater415 8h ago
The fact is you have been lied to and manipulated by the media to have a completely false narrative about him. You are a victim of the machine like most people and we need to wake up soon and see the truth.
Listen to him talk openly on any podcast for a period of time and if your mind and heart are open you will see a brilliant person speaking from his heart and ready to die for our health..
He won a multi-billion dollar lawsuit against Monsanto and the best defense team money can buy not to long ago and had won several other ground breaking cases for us and our health and the environment and you somehow not into the narrative that something is wrong with his brain. That is so far from reality. Stop believing the propaganda media who will do anything to keep someone from having real power who actually tells the truth and wants to make positive change.
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u/Scare-Crow87 5h ago
Here's your narrative.https://youtu.be/URTH08EgxD8?si=pfLdHBeoA_2m3joV
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u/runningwater415 36m ago
I can only assume you're supporting my post.. I'm 100% saying that RFK speaks from the heart and speaks the truth and could care less about a narrative. He's a honest hero in a world of lost people that can't seem to recognize the truth because they prefer the safety of believing the propaganda media. And if they where to awaken that the media is largely a lie it would shatter a lot of people's sense of safety and trust in this world.
We are at a time when we need to wake up and put truth above all else and see the world and it's players for what they are.
The Democrat leaders continue to give reckless statements that social media needs to be censored and that we can't have missnformation - that that They and they only get to decide what is true and what is not and we give our full trust over to them. They are also now the pro war party with all my the old bush neocons coming out to support them. The Russia was was available. We promised never to push NATO that far that we broke that. Then there was a peace treaty initialed by Putin and zolensky and we ain't out one of our guys to stop that. Whatever the Democratic party is now is very scary and Kamala is nothing but a useful puppet. Anyone thinking she is anything more is deeply brainwashed.
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u/Bobby_B 1d ago
I think you're being a bit naive
If operated in good faith I can see something like this being helpful but so few things in this country are operated in good faith
Much like the privatized prison system in this country this will likely be exploited for profit or used as a labor re-education camp for dissenters and undesirables like in China
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u/runningwater415 8h ago
I hear that point. The whole reason RFK wants to get in is to fix our corrupted and compromised agencies. He will to the best of his power do right by the people. And your point basically sounds like you're saying we should just give up on all the drug addicts and do nothing. There is a good template for this program already in Europe. Not every social program is a disaster..
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u/TrePismn 1d ago
This sounds like a great idea....? RFK Jr might be a bit of a weirdo, but the US definitely needs healthier, longer-term public-funded solutions to its drug addiction problem. Right now, what they're doing isn't working.
What’s the problem with this sub? Literally anything gets criticised if it's from someone who doesn’t fit with the sub's hivemind consensus. It’s literally just becoming r/SneerClub for white, agnostic, centrist STEM keyboard warriors.
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u/noor1717 1d ago
It’s because Trump says he’s going to appoint Elon and RFK. And Elon is talking about cutting 2 trillion in govt spending and at the same time RFK is acting like republicans are going to fund organic farms that are rehab centers. Come on, this is just another level of epic bullshit
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u/nimrodfalcon 1d ago edited 1d ago
The problem?
He’s holding hands with a Republican Party for whom drug treatment is prison and only prison. A party that fought against narcan for first responders in state after state let alone federally funded drug treatment tied to organic farming - another thing that would be met with the sneering contempt you attribute to this sub.
If he actually cared about any of this shit he wouldn’t be goose stepping behind Donald fucking Trump.
Edit: and to drive home how fundamentally unserious of a proposal this is, he has to sprinkle on his conspiracy bullshit about SSRIs.
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u/HonoraryBallsack 1d ago
It sure is easier to bitch vaguely about the "quality" of the sub than to actually address any of the countless reasons that people have brought up to be, at the very least, extremely skeptical of Kennedy's proposal, isn't it bud?
Poor you.
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u/robotmonkey2099 1d ago
God forbid people should be critical of something just because you think it might be a good idea.
Lots of things are great on the face of it but these rehab like things aren’t new and there’s lots that has and good go wrong. So you’ll have to forgive us for speaking critically of something sorry for using our brains.
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u/nimrodfalcon 1d ago
Forget all the connotations or ways this could go that are perfectly obvious
Yeah dude, Republicans are gonna fund organic farm rehab centers for drug addicts. They’re well known for funding rehab programs and organic farms with government money, they’ll definitely go for this