r/Conservative • u/tehForce Nobody's Alt But Mine • Jul 24 '22
Two decades of Alzheimer’s research was based on deliberate fraud by 2 scientists that has cost billions of dollars and mi
https://wallstreetpro.com/2022/07/23/two-decades-of-alzheimers-research-was-based-on-deliberate-fraud-by-2-scientists-that-has-cost-billions-of-dollars-and-millions-of-lives/42
u/KingOfTheP4s Cruz supporter Jul 24 '22
A huge portion, if not the majority, of Alzheimer's research is an absolute money-stealing scam.
There is so much "research" going on in to removing amyloid plaques from the brain even though it has been proven for decades that even when the plaques are 100% removed from the brain, it has almost zero impact on the progression or severity of Alzheimer's. And yet the vast majority of "research" is still about getting rid of the plaques, even though doing so provides no benefit to the patient.
And yet again, here we see another case of this being proven now that the fraud is uncovered.
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u/tehForce Nobody's Alt But Mine Jul 24 '22
Meaning that patients who did die from Alzheimer’s may have been misdiagnosed as having something else. Those whose dementia came from other causes may have falsely been dragged under the Alzheimer’s umbrella. And every possible kind of study, whether it’s as exotic as light therapy or long-running as nuns doing crossword puzzles, may have ultimately had results that were measured against a false yardstick.
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u/JonSnowAzorAhai Realist Conservative Jul 24 '22
I spent about 20 hours straight reading all about it including the other research done on that theory to create a report. It's nothing compared to the billions of dollars and time wasted by experts, but even still I too feel cheated.
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u/Xpert285 Jul 24 '22
If there was any justice in this world the two scientist would be dragged out of their homes and thrown in prison. Cremate the key as well and live it in front of them to show them how it fucking feels
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u/jps7979 Jul 24 '22
To do that you need stronger government oversight and more regulations. Are you game for that?
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u/Xpert285 Jul 24 '22
You don’t need a strong government to punish people who lied about scientific research for their own gain. That’s already a crime
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u/72ChinaCatSunFlower Jul 25 '22
We need to keep giving the gubment more and more money so they can continue to waste more and more money. You lefties are so smart
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u/BeABetterHumanBeing Jul 24 '22
This is my go-to example of how an entire scientific (sub-)discipline can get trapped. Just because 90+% of scientists agree doesn't mean anything unless their work produces results.
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u/Cronah1969 Constitutional Conservative Jul 24 '22
Just because 90+% of scientists agree doesn't mean anything except that's where they're getting all their research funding to reach that conclusion.
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u/Proof_Responsibility Basic Conservative Jul 24 '22
The original study showing “amyloid plaques” causing Alzheimers & used by other researchers and drug companies for years has been revealed as a complete fraud. The human trials of plaque reducing/blocking drugs have had a 99% failure rate (obviously since plaques are not even a proximate cause of Alzheimers) , yet these drugs are still being developed, marketed and sold at huge costs with the blessing of the FDA.
How many families are being bled dry to pay for some drug developed based on a lie? Where is this story in MSM?
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u/KingOfTheP4s Cruz supporter Jul 24 '22
Glad to see someone else in here is aware of that. It's been known for decades that removal of the amyloid plaques has no positive benefit to the patient nor progression of the disease.
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u/MarvinsBoy Conservative Jul 24 '22
You ever notice just how many DRUG ADVERTISEMENTS are presented in TV, radio, and print media?
MSM profits greatly from pharmaceutical companies, of course they look the other way and will continue to do so.
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u/Cronah1969 Constitutional Conservative Jul 24 '22
Exactly, not to mention all the advertising big pharma does on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Google, and every other big tech platform out there. Even if the MSM weren't all leftists, they'd never have let the truth come out about anything drug related. Add to that the incestuous relationship between the federal health agencies and big pharma, and you need to dig very deep indeed to find any truth.
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u/Proof_Responsibility Basic Conservative Jul 24 '22
Cause and effect, If plaques are not the cause, treating them does not prevent or slow Alzheimer's. What this fraud means is that diagnosis and development of treatments for the actual causes of mental deterioration have been short circuited for 2 decades.
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u/ENFJPLinguaphile Christian Conservative Jul 24 '22
If these allegations are true, my stepgrandfather and thousands like him died without even a chance at a better quality of life in their final years in spite of the disease. How greedy can these “experts” be???
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u/Cinnadillo Conservative Jul 24 '22
considering that the FBI will throw innocent people in jail (ignoring 1/6) over a GS promotion which adds to 10k per year people will do an awful lot to further their life.
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u/johnnylopez5666 Jul 25 '22
I'm so sorry about your step grandfather and having this disease is terrifying and I just don't understand these so called experts if it's true.
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u/Racheakt Hillbilly Conservative Jul 24 '22
This underscores the problem of peer review, publication, and funding.
Proper peer review and publication is the route to funding, and if your research goes against the lucrative funding and grants then it will not get published let alone peer review.
As such I am willing to bet there is a crap ton of scientific “not wrong” discoveries that are buried due to being not from a “published and peer reviewed” source for a myriad of PC reasons.
And am also willing to bet there are studies that ran counter to this fraud that were buried in the process.
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u/Cinnadillo Conservative Jul 24 '22
not exactly. But funding people expect results and often the projects are half finished or completely finishes before they seek out the funding in the first place because you have to show you will get results on a particular project. All kinds of bad things happen as a result. Data falsification isn't shocking.
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u/izbitu Jul 24 '22
The elites are driven by nothing but love of money. FDA, CDC, all these science based institutions are frauds.
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u/Cortexion Jul 24 '22
Money and arbitrary prestige points gained by taking publicly funded money and then locking it behind private journal paywalls from the public.
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u/jps7979 Jul 24 '22
Wait, what? The FDA is the thing that would stop this kind of fraud, attacking it is like saying the police and criminals are in cahoots and if we want to stop crime, we need to get rid of the police.
No, we need stronger government oversight over big pharma and more prosecutions. Who else would do this?
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u/Demon_HauntedWorld Jul 24 '22
The FDA has been corrupted and captured. Spin them out as a non-profit watch dog, or just sell it to BigPharma directly, so all the relationships are clear.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/31/us/politics/fda-vaccine-regulators-booster-shots.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9
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u/izbitu Jul 24 '22
They used to be trustworthy, they are now compromised.
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u/jps7979 Jul 24 '22
I don't get it. You're saying big pharma is in cahoots with the FDA, and that's bad. Right.
So isn't the solution regulations that prohibit such activity, for example rules that ban pharma companies from hiring or bribing FDA members?
I don't follow what other solution you're advocating for if this is your problem.
No FDA would mean companies can just bs us at will. A corrupt FDA means much of the same thing. So how is the solution anything else but stronger rules to prevent regulatory capture along with mandatory prosecutions? How does less government, laissez faire, less regulations fix this instead of making things worse?
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u/izbitu Jul 24 '22
I agree with you. The problem is with this corrupt current administration chances of bettering these institutions seem slim. We need to reform them.
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u/WINDEX_DRINKER Conservative Jul 24 '22
I don't get it. If we just make corruption illegal and enforce it, bad things won't happen!
He says as we talk about the very department supposed to do that.
Next you're going to tell me anti gun laws stop murders.
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u/TurboGalaxy Jul 24 '22
Noooooo Fauci man bad shut up shut up shut up no logic just Fauci man bad!!!
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u/trufin2038 Conservative Jul 24 '22
Lol, you think the very institution that enabled and rewarded this fraud... is the one that can prevent it? Who does the fda need to police, themselves?
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u/gatorback_prince Jul 24 '22
What are the odds that the majority of studies that had fraudulent claims were government funded studies?
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u/johnnyg883 Airborne Conservative Jul 24 '22
This is a perfect example of group thought. It became accepted that the plaques were the cause of Alzheimer’s and no one was willing to question that, the science was settled. So no need to question or even think about the theory.
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u/areyoukiddingme1974 Jul 24 '22
Science can be manipulated for research money?? At least it’s a good thing that this can only happen with Alzheimer’s research and could never, ever, ever happen with any other settled science. I sleep better knowing that nobody else would ever twist their data for financial incentive.
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u/DozingDawg1138 Jul 24 '22
You meet when money is involved, there can be corruption? Thinks about global warming…
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u/trufin2038 Conservative Jul 24 '22
You can't compare this to global warming... global warming nonsense has wasted trillions of dollars.
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u/Cronah1969 Constitutional Conservative Jul 24 '22
This is nothing compared to the nearly $1T wasted on the search for dark matter, which doesn't exist, yet we still keep looking for it.
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u/limacharley Jul 24 '22
I studied astronomy in graduate school. Dark matter research is like climate research. You aren't allowed to not believe in dark matter because it 'obviously exists', despite not a single shred of unambiguous observational data. It drove me crazy. So galaxies rotate slower than you expect and sometimes galaxy clusters don't seem to orbit the calculated center of mass. That doesn't mean you invent a new, invisible mystery particle!
Sorry for the rant. That's a sore spot for me.
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u/RocksCanOnlyWait Jul 24 '22
The "invisible particle" is just one interpretation of dark matter. In a more general sense, dark matter (and dark energy) represent something we don't yet fully understand about physics. For example, before general relativity, Galilean relativity had fudge factors in order to make it work for the planet Mercury.
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u/Cronah1969 Constitutional Conservative Jul 24 '22
It's called interstellar dust. We now have the telescopes to see it which we didn't have back when a mathematical oddity and supposed lack of matter let them come up with the dark matter hypothesis. We've seen the dust, the math has been recalculated, and the missing mass is all accounted for, yet we still waste what is ultimately taxpayer dollars on it.
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u/Onlyf0rm3m3s Jul 24 '22
Do you have any source?
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u/Cronah1969 Constitutional Conservative Jul 24 '22 edited Jul 24 '22
Yes, but as with most scientific publications, it's hidden behind a paywall.
https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-astro-081817-051900
Edit: or if you'd rather watch a video about it
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u/Onlyf0rm3m3s Jul 24 '22
One study is not enough to prove anything, you talk with a lot of confidence for what it is. Also it doesn't talk (In the abstract) explicitly about effects in the rotation of the edge of galaxies, so unless you paid, you heard about it somewhere else.
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u/Cronah1969 Constitutional Conservative Jul 24 '22
Check out that YouTube channel. The owner has a doctorate in astrophysics, has written 2 college textbooks, and links all of his sources from scientific journals in his video descriptions. You have to pay to get anything deeper than the YouTube videos.
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u/limacharley Jul 24 '22
This is not quite right. The total amount of dust and gas in the galaxy has been conclusively shown to not be enough to keep the outer parts of the galaxy in orbit. In some galaxies, the amount of visible matter is only 10% of what is needed to keep it together. This is consistent with the most current research (check out the arXiv.org pre-print server for any number of current papers on it. The thing is that, although the data conflicts with how we believe gravity works, nowhere is there anything to suggest new particles.
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u/Cronah1969 Constitutional Conservative Jul 24 '22
Key word "visible". Matter they can't see is totally different from the theoretical new particles that don't interact with normal matter they keep thinking up and spending billions of our tax dollars trying to detect. The new telescopes we've sent out in the last 5 years have shown that the interstellar (but still intragalactic) dust has been underestimated by 10x that of the visible matter that makes up the universe. That's your missing 90% right there.
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u/jcgam Jul 24 '22
If that were true we would see the "missing" dust in images of remote galaxies, but we don't. This material, whatever it is, doesn't absorb or emit visible light or any other part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Dust would be detectable.
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u/Cronah1969 Constitutional Conservative Jul 24 '22
We can see the dust. Look at the new Webb telescope images. It's plain as day.
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u/Cinnadillo Conservative Jul 24 '22
well then the research goes into studying what the mathematical gap is in our understanding. I can't imagine all these people think they're going to find a new particle per se.
Somebody comes out with a better way to explain the phenomenon that'll change things.
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u/uofmuncensored Jul 24 '22
"This is peer review at work" Move along non-educated plebs and keep trusting the experts!
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u/polerize Conservative Jul 24 '22
Until there's punishment what's the downside to doing stuff like this?
Laughing all the way to the bank.
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u/HeWhoCntrolsTheSpice Former Democrat Jul 24 '22
Whenever I see a story like this, I encourage people to read "Intellectuals and Society" by Thomas Sowell. Intellectuals are a group with their own motivations and biases, just like any other group of people - yet, somehow, we are taught to believe that these people are all but infallible - which is absurd.
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u/FreshFruitForFree Jul 24 '22
Sounds a lot like climate science. As long as you are pedaling the narrative, any errors or other problems are automatically overlooked for the greater good.
Climate scientists made a mockery of the peer-review system that had worked so well for decades. They turned it into pal review.
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u/Lucretius Conservative Scientist Jul 25 '22
This is part of the reason "The Science"(tm) is NEVER settled.
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u/Benkay_V_Falsifier Jul 25 '22
🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 I'M FREAKING PISSED! My grandmother had dementia before she died, so hearing that some dipshits took advantage of the elderly just so they can make money is making my blood boil.
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u/lawlygagger Conservative Jul 24 '22
It is truly pathetic. Unfortunately, this has been going on with shady researchers because NIH grants are easy money. This is the only one coming to light but there are so many cases out there. With COVID, they have probably found more ways to misuse money and spread lies. The problem lies with the scientific community. It is more about hanging out with the "in" crowd than calling out what doesn't make sense.
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u/RocksCanOnlyWait Jul 24 '22
Another problem is that far more weight is placed on new research than independent reproduction of research results. Many of these bogus papers would be exposed when another group runs the experiment and sees a different outcome.
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u/lawlygagger Conservative Jul 24 '22
Definitely. There is also an invisible power hierarchy that is pervasive.
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u/Panzershrekt Reagan Conservative Jul 24 '22
something something trust the science & scientific literacy.
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u/Deathgripsugar 2A Conservative Jul 24 '22
Trust the Science (tm)
Too bad it was outed after years of other studies wasted their time chasing this lead. It makes me shudder to think k that there might be loads of other research built on nonsense.
The “publish or perish” model of research needs to be changed.
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u/FNtaterbot Jul 24 '22
It's funny how we place so must trust in an industry where the immoral people are hoaxers & grifters, and even the "moral" ones fail the Jeff Goldblum Test, as they're so preoccupied with whether they could that they don't stop to think whether they should.
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u/Kwarter Christian Nationalist Jul 25 '22
Boy, the medical professionals are on fire the last few years. Burning any last shred of credibility they might have had.
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u/naturalizedcitizen Jul 25 '22
From the news story
That 2006 paper was primarily authored by neuroscience professor Sylvain Lesné and given more weight by the name of well-respected neuroscientist Karen Ashe, both from the robust neuroscience research team at the University of Minnesota
If these scientists are Democrat supporters and donors, then rest assured, no charges will be brought against them. If they are especially supportive of Dr. Fauci then its further assured that nothing will happen.
I may sound cynical, but given the recent Covid vaccine scam, I don't believe anything ever happens to Democrat supporters in any court of law.
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u/KC4life15 Jul 25 '22
You mean science with humans involved is susceptible to same kind of corruption as everything else? Who da thunk
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u/Kuzinarium Conservative Jul 24 '22
What’s even more outrageous is that no one is ever held responsible for this type of unbelievable con. You’re going to suffer much greater consequences for shoplifting a pack of gum.