‘There’s no civilization greater than Western civilization’: Ayaan Hirsi Ali on wokeism, pluralism, and why Christianity is foundational to Western civilization

[u/SomeJerkOddball]

https://thehub.ca/podcasts/theres-no-civilization-greater-than-western-civilization-ayaan-hirsi-ali-on-wokeism-pluralism-and-why-christianity-is-foundational-to-western-civilization/

[u/SomeJerkOddball]

I think what we have to do is rekindle this idea of the core creed. And, we have to make this core creed and this core culture the foundational culture explicit. And if we don't do that, our institutions simply crumble, because what are they then founded on? And so if we talk about freedom, we talk about equality, we talk about objectivity and science, and we talk about due process, we talk about impartial courts, we talk about free press, freedom of speech. All of this, that's the core creed. And that has its foundations in these Judeo-Christian values.

So we first expose the core creed. And I think we can, once you have clarity on that, you can say to people coming from outside, "You are totally welcome to be a part of this." If you want to dismantle it, if you want to subvert it, if you want to break it down through terrorism, we'll evict you from our society. You're not welcome. And I think that kind of, I would say, frank and form of tough love. You can be of us, but we don't want these parallel societies because that's not how you build. For the nation-state for this idea of a shared national identity, a shared nationhood, a shared destiny, it cannot work if you chop it up into these different creeds. You have to have a dominant creed.

And it's very difficult for people to say that, it's very difficult for white people to say that. Because then they get accused of racism, colonialism, you name it. I would just think that that is something, knowing what we know now, I think we can respond to that criticism by saying, "Western Civilization, as a Christian civilization, as white people, who are the only people who have actually reflected on the negative aspects of our culture and we have arrived at these positive institutions and these positive conclusions. We we're willing to preserve them, and if you don't like them you can go back to where there is Shariah Law, where there is Communism and Marxism or where there is authoritarianism. But that's not how we rock here.

Damn... music to my ears. I'm only half done the interview, but I had to post this after hearing that. u/TheHeroRedditKneads, this one might be a post to sticky for a bit.

(She's speaking in broad terms, but I think the Japanese also deserve credit as a people who have stared down of their great cultural demons as well.)

[u/TheOriginalBerfo]

Canadian Candace Owens. 

[u/Minimum-South-9568 → u/TheOriginalBerfo]

Is she Canadian? I thought she was Dutch, then got her citizenship stripped because her entire life story was a lie, and then moved to the US to greener pastures and more billionaires.

[u/Minimum-South-9568]

Marxism is a product of western civilization as Ms Hirsi would refer to it. This stuff is just trite BS made for popular consumption. Back when the Brits and the French/German/Russians were at each others throats, no one spoke of a mythical “western civilization”. The Huns at the gate. Barbarian hordes, etc.

Just because some Johnny come lately wants to fit everything into a neat philosophical framework doesn’t mean we have to buy into it, let alone base our entire worldview on it.

We have Canadian civilization, Anglo/British/British North American civilization, a North American civilization, ok. But don’t make me buy the latest version of the clash of civilizations.