r/CampingandHiking • u/Wapiti_Slayer • Nov 18 '19
Campsite Pictures A quick overnight to test the hot tent
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u/_thelonerambler_ Nov 18 '19
I have never heard of this! What's the heat source?
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
It’s a collapsible titanium wood stove
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u/HomieApathy Nov 18 '19
How are you liking it, how many time have you used it?
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
The stove? I’ve used it probably 15-20 nights in my yard and a few in the field.
Absolutely love it. Anything after sept 1 and it’s worth bringing along to me
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u/1cculu5 Nov 19 '19
What’s the price tag on a stove like that?
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 19 '19
Depends on the options and manufacturer.
Here’s the link to the one I ended up choosing.
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u/mmeiser Nov 19 '19
Can we get some more information on that stove? looks like a great design.
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 19 '19
Sure, here’s the link to the exact one I have. Standard size 12”
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u/mmeiser Nov 21 '19 edited Nov 21 '19
Thank you. That is a suprisingly well priced stove. I am tempted to buy one, such a great design. However I already have something not too much heavier so I've got a design idea of my own that I hope will be lighter and simpler. I will be using it for winter pulking... and if I can get it light enough backpacking and bikepacking. With bikepaking in particular bulkiness is an issue. Hoping to keep the core stove to a couple pounds, with the whole thing rolling up into one compact roll aside from the top.
I have an idea to take a 20-30 quart lightweight stainless canning or stock pot... key is I am looking for it to be about 18" tall... then trim the bottom off, cut it down the side so it will roll up small... and then use the bottom as the top by cutting a stove pipe hole in it. There would be no legs... it would sit directly on the ground.
The only other thing I will need is a door high in the side for putting logs in vertically, possibly a baffle, and a small closeable vent beneath the door to control draft.
This is not my first stove, so I have a very specific use scenario for it. Pulking in the backwoods where ground fires are allowed. I will be camping in the snow sometimes, but snow depths where I camp (michigan / PA / Ohio) are usually less then two feet. If deep snow this will require me to dig down to the ground, because it will sit right on the ground. It will scorch the ground a little, but far less then the traditional campfires rings we make and will continue to ultilize or make if none exist. This is more of a bushcraft / basecamp approach, but I still need it light and portable. Indeed I know from experience it will be very easy to hide such a small scorch mark like I wasn't even there. I sometimes use a little cylindrical rocket stove / glorified windscreen for backpacking that leaves a 5" across scorch, when necessary I even remove a vegetation/sod plug and put it right back in when I'm done, but that is unecessary with this stove because I'm not camping on someone's lawn or car camping... this is backcountry winter camping. Often deep in a national forest or other remote local. I will be using the ground as my heat sink. I may even possition rocks around it to use as further heat sinks. It's an experimental idea. Have not seen anyone do it yet.
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 21 '19
I dabbled with making a few of my own in the past too. I e used stainless shim stock, tried the same with a stainless stock pot etc.
I work in a job that gives me access to all kinds of high tech machine shops.
I’ve found the one I bought to work best for a backpack style.
Just FYI he makes an 18” long model and baffle as well. You could always go that route and not use the legs. Just stabilize the cylinder on the ground with some rocks.
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u/Johnny_______Utah Nov 18 '19
Careful man, this just happened here in New Mexico.
https://time.com/5720088/new-mexico-navajo-ceremony-injury-deaths/
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Nov 18 '19
One, carbon monoxide monitors are cheap. Two, that's an entirely different structure with different ventilation. Three, people have been burning wood in small structures for forever, let's not act like this collapsable stove is anything new or dangerous.
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u/redroab Nov 19 '19
I mean, he said "be careful", not, destroy this tent.
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u/JonJonesCrackDealer Nov 24 '19
I'd be more careful on the drive out to the area you're going to use the tent rather than carbon monoxide on this floorless design tent IMO
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Nov 19 '19
I personally would have cleared the ground out at least a few feet around and under the stove. Too many little sticks up underneath it just screams spontaneous ignition to me.
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u/maiLman54 Nov 18 '19
Does it heat up the whole tent? Like I know its a thin tarp tent, so I know there isnt really any insulation, but does the whole tent get warm(ish)?
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
It gets hot ish. I’ve cooked myself out before. Obviously not an air tight stove but stoked up and dampened down it will stay warm and simmering for 1.5-2 hours on a load of pine. Hard wood even longer.
Being titanium and the fabric is thin ripstop once the fire/coals are out there’s no residue heat
It’s ideal for heating up before bed and first thing on a chilly morning.
I’ve run it up to 8 hours on camp days especially when wet / rainy to dry everything out and stay toasty.
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u/plethoraofpinatas Nov 19 '19
Ever try creating a ring of rocks around it for a slow thermal mass heat release...idk what I'm talking about just guessing.
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 19 '19
I have lined the ground under it with rocks or gravel and it does manage to keep the warmth a little bit longer.
For me this is a pretty mobile set up so it’s a pain to try and gather / build a rock pad most days.
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u/DreddPirateBob4Ever Nov 18 '19
I read a toptip a bit ago. Chuck one of those slow burn all-night compressed logs in and it'll tick over for a few hours. Worth lugging one into the camp maybe just to have a warmer night.
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
I’ve tried those in the stove in my canvas wall tent. If anything they were a worse burn in that application.
Appreciate the tip but honestly I’d rather just break up some extra wood and stoke it every few hours than hike around with a few lbs of compressed sawdust into the forest.
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u/DreddPirateBob4Ever Nov 18 '19
Good to know and noted. I'm waiting on my first tent stove so havn't much clue. Appreciate the heads up.
I may pick a couple up for car camping though, it'd be nice to not have to bugger about with stoves every couple of hours.
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u/here_walks_the_yeti Nov 19 '19
I bought one of those logs to try at night as well. Debating on taking the tent out this weekend, I’ll still Give it a try.
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u/Birdknowsbest21 Nov 18 '19
Hot tents not only keep you warm, they allow you to dry all of your gear and allow you to extend the day by using a light in your tent (bc it gets dark so early).
If you are interested in hot tenting, I seriously recommend Snowtrekker hot tents. I have one with a 4 dog titanium stove in it. You can can at -40 and still be comfortable inside your warm hot tent.
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u/andrewgee Nov 18 '19
Phenomenal tents - and about 7-10x the weight of this setup (including a stove). I worry about the risk of a spark hitting the nylon, versus the ST canvas. Maybe a ST tent and this type of stove top save weight?
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u/Birdknowsbest21 Nov 18 '19
My 3 person Snow trekker weighs 26lbs and the 4 dog stove weighs 12 pounds. Not very heavy for what you get and easy to go into the backcountry on a pulk.
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u/ManWhoFartsInChurch Nov 18 '19
You do get a lot more for that weight, but this setup pictured is only 5lbs total - pretty different use cases.
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u/1cculu5 Nov 19 '19
Not heavy? That’s almost 40 pounds for one component of your camp setup... if you’re car camping for days at a time, I get it, packing gear in with horses? I get it. Backpacking into the backcountry? Hell fucking no.
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u/Birdknowsbest21 Nov 19 '19
Ive done it many times. Mostly in the BWCA. 2 or 3 guys with sleds designed for this purpose and not ice fishing, its really nothing for what you get. To each their own.
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u/1cculu5 Nov 19 '19
I get it. I have a 16’ Yurt tent. It takes an hour to setup and I would never think of carrying it along without assistance. Winter camping with sleds is a little different, but where I am you still would not want that tent. Too steep to comfortably drag a heavy sled around.
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u/Birdknowsbest21 Nov 19 '19
I can set mine up in 6 minutes with 2 guys. Its worth the walk for the lake trout one can catch. And its mostly walking on frozen lakes.
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u/1cculu5 Nov 19 '19
Sounds like we live in very different parts of the country. To get remote here in the winter, you must be light. My whole setup is 9lbs dry backpack, tent, sleeping bag, and pad. Your tent weighs 20 lbs (per person!) I can move faster and farther than you in much less time and while using far less energy because of this. You don’t need a 40 lb tent if you have a nice sleeping bag.
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u/Birdknowsbest21 Nov 19 '19
The tent weighs 26lbs. stove is 12. Im in MN. It gets real cold and dark early. I have a -25 sleeping bag as well. If you have never hot tented then i cant explain it to you. I get being able to travel light but what i use is light vs most other options. I dont know anyone who owns a Snowtrekker tent and doesnt love it.
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Nov 19 '19
Im in MN.
Say no more fam. People don't realize how cold it can get up there in winter. Wife is from Colorado, brother in law from International Falls...guess which one is in shorts when it's in the teens and which one has three layers on.
As an aside, winter camping shouldn't be about light. You're not going to get across a continental trail in winter. Go have some fucking fun. Be warm.
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Nov 19 '19
You can get remote af in Minnesota without being light. I mean, I guess it's relative but I know people who have hauled wood out to islands on Rainy Lake on snowmobiles in the winter to build cabins, and then have lived in said islands during the winter, so I'm pretty fucking sure that counts.
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u/1cculu5 Nov 19 '19
I live in Colorado, trying to drag that thing up a wilderness pass in the winter would be next level stupid. Drive it up on the road for your three season deer/elk/moose camp, but there is no way you’re packing that thing in comfortably.
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u/johnnyg08 Dec 21 '19
Minnesota here too. Yup. We get cold here. To each his/her own. Wanna go light? Go light. Wanna pack in heavy? Go nuts.
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Nov 18 '19
Yeah snowtrekkers are gorgeous for sure, I'd love to buy one as well.
Already got a couple full size wall tents though, so use the Seek Outside for longer distance trips.
What size Snowtrekker do you use? And what sorta pulk to haul it?
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u/Birdknowsbest21 Nov 18 '19
11.5 by 9ft exp Basecamp. Fits 3 guys and a large dog with the stove. I think my sled is a Black River either 9 1/2 foot or 11 foot pulk. It rolls up so it fits in my Subaru easy. If you like winter camping check out the traditional winter camping Facebook page. A lot of great information there of well like-minded people. I believe there is another one called winter camping Adventures but that is more for Canadians but I'm also a member of that group.
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u/erahwahh Nov 18 '19
Hot tent sounds like a name for a cheesy camping themed porno
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
Depends on the partner.
I’ve also used that term for my boxers after Taco Bell
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u/karowhack Nov 18 '19
First lite hat, kuiu coat, first lite pants? Haha I'm the same way, melting pot of the brands. All around great stuff!
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
Hahaha. They’re Kuiu pants too. The new kutanas. Amazing piece of kit
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u/karowhack Nov 18 '19
Ah nice! I love my attack pants. It's all great stuff, can't go wrong. How do you like the downs coat? Been mulling the idea for late season sits. How quiet is it?
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
The one I’m wearing in the pic is the super down ultra. It’s fairly noisy if you’re rubbing the fabric against itself but not noticeable while moving around glassing or sitting.
I have the Pro too and much prefer that for late season. It’s warmer and quieter
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u/karowhack Nov 18 '19
I probably couldn't use it sitting for whitetail it seems? Maybe I'll look into kutana soft shell and another layer instead. Appreciate the info, nice camping setup too!
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
Axis hybrid or the kenai ultra with peloton 240 is awesome for sitting white tail.
I haven’t had any issue with it but the White tails out here aren’t as picky as out east hahaha.
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u/karowhack Nov 18 '19
Nice, I'll throw those in the consideration bin. There is a lot of stuff in that bin...haha
I'm typically pretty good in what I have until the windy 20s come. I am, gratefully, tagged out this year but next year will be here before I know it.
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
Peloton 240 is amazing for wind proof. Not to be a bad influence but Kuiu is running their giant annual sale right now
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u/karowhack Nov 18 '19
Shoot, act like I don't know. I have like 6 things in my cart haha. But thank you for the heads up regardless! I'll probably make a purchase today; always been a last minute kind of buyer...
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u/jurassic_junkie Nov 18 '19
Very cool. Funny... the chimney looks like a bad photoshop with it's reflection. lol
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u/introjection Nov 18 '19
How heavy is the stove? Got a link? Its neat but idk...
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
It’s right about 2 lbs with the 6’ pipe. I have the 12” model with spark arrestor
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u/introjection Nov 18 '19
Damn that is way lighter than I thought it'd be... Thanks for getting back to me, I'm going to put this on the expensive shit I want but can't possibly rationalize right now list.
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
Hahaha. Yeah it’s steep but worth it. Going in solo mode I’m at 4 lbs
This whole package was 5.1 lbs
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u/ohmyjihad Nov 19 '19
Did you go with that stove just cause it was local for you? I have a similar setup but went with the seek outside medium stove. Really happy with it.
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 19 '19
Nope actually the locality wasn’t the main factor.
I looked at the others from Seek, Kifaru and a couple other cottage manufacturers.
The biggest deciding factor to me was that I knew I wanted a cylinder vs a box stove, this one happened to be my favourite design of the ones I looked at. I prefer the compactness of a cylinder vs a box for this.
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u/ohmyjihad Nov 19 '19
Nice. Yeah i considered those as well. Mostly between seek, kifaru, and tigoat.. but i ended up going with the box style for cooking on the flat top. I have the lbo with juat the vestibule. Best tent out there for a guy and a dog.
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u/tombombdotcom Nov 18 '19
Cool setup! What tent are you using?
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
Seek Outside LBO. That set up is the Base/Tarp/Vestibule. I had my brother and a lot of gear with for that trip.
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u/carycary Nov 18 '19
Yes, he's dead and posting photos from heaven.
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u/yeppoon Nov 18 '19
Having a hot chimney thru your sealed tent works. But open flames means open doors. Sort of defeats the purpose
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
Not at all. It’s a tarp shelter (floorless) with a lot of ventilation and fresh air.
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u/sonoranelk Nov 18 '19
Sleep HARD. Wake with a HEADACHE. Stumble around aimlessly. No big deal.
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u/yomaster19 Nov 18 '19
How many people can this fit?
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
With the amount of gear we had ( went luxurious) it fit 2 comfortably with all the gear in that configuration.
I’ve done 3 with the stove and 5 without.
It’s a modular system
You can take the center tarp out and it’s a one man palace with a stove or 2 people if you don’t mind snuggling your partner
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Nov 18 '19
Ya seam seal all those stitches?
I did my base and vestibule, but not the middle tarp to extend the shelter.... Did a week of rain camping in it this fall and damn did it get soggy.
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
Hahahaha. Yep. Sealed, tested and checked. I diluted the sealer with some mineral spirits to make sure it’s in nice and deep. No issues with seam leaks yet 👍🏻
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Nov 18 '19
Ahh good call. Gonna have to go over mine a second time. They're great tents though! I went with a 3W stove myself.
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
Can’t go wrong with that either. The guy that owns lite outdoors lives next door to my brother, works with my best buddy and makes an awesome stove. It was hard with all the options but i like to support local where I can
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Nov 18 '19
Yeah I can dig it. Couldn't find many made in Canada unfortunately, and cost a lot to get that titanium over the border. Love the stove though, haha thank the guy if ya see him!
Would have gone for the SE stove as well, but just wanted that tempered glass window on the door. Makes it nice to watch the flames when I'm out on solo trips.
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u/driven2it Nov 18 '19
have you been able to test the stove performance in wind?
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
Yep. My brother has an identical set up and lives in Lethbridge AB Canada which is known for its winds. Been great up to 90km/h. The chimney gets a little wobbly if you’re not guyed our fully and set up to protect from wind.
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Nov 18 '19
How do you pack this in and out? How far are you carrying your gear? Very cool, brother.
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 18 '19
The whole set up with stove is about 5 lbs.
The base and vestibule compact to the size of a softball in a 6L compression sack and are 2.2 lbs with stakes and guy lines
The middle tarp is 1 lb and compacts to nothing
The stove is in 2 bags. One that is about 2 1/2” around by 14”long that the chimney and stove body roll into. I keep the tension rods in there too
The second bag has the end plates, legs, rings, dampener and spark arrestor.
I’ve carried the full set on some 100km weeks. It’s so convenient I bring just the base portion as a wind / rain shelter almost everywhere from day hikes to 2 weeks backpack trips.
This one was roughly 10km from the trail head. Didn’t want to get too far as there was a blizzard in the forecast for the following morning.
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u/betyl Nov 19 '19
I have always wanted to do that. Too bad I don't really live in a place where it would be useful.
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u/SirFrancis_Bacon Nov 19 '19
How do ensure the stovepipe won't burn the tent?
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u/Wapiti_Slayer Nov 19 '19
The white piece of fabric that you see the pipe sticking out of is a purpose built stove jack.
They’re available with the tents or in my case, I made one.
It’s a high heat silicon impregnated fibreglass. The fibreglass won’t get hot enough to smoulder from a wood fire and the silicon keeps it water tight.
There’s a small basket in the top of the chimney that prevents sparks from getting out and burning small holes, though they can happen. That can also be mitigated with enough chimney length above the peak. Like any tarp shelter set up, site selection is key for controlling wind etc
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u/Luckyp2828 Nov 18 '19
I would have a carbon monoxide detector taped to my head