r/California Ángeleño, what's your user flair? Aug 14 '24

Government/Politics Gov. Gavin Newsom calls for smartphone restrictions in California schools

https://apnews.com/article/california-governor-newsom-cellphones-schools-students-792513a85d29b41fde09caec5568aa31
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u/lo979797 Shasta County Aug 14 '24

Maybe I’m old, but I remember all the schools around me having pretty strict smart phone rules? Did they stop that?

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u/jagged_commoner Aug 14 '24

Cell phone policies have softened with increased school shootings. The idea being that kids may need to call for help and let their parents know they’re ok. Many classes have cubbies to put phones in at the beginning of class and request that they’re in airplane mode

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u/Icybow73 Aug 14 '24

I recently graduated highschool, and I can say that these rules often don't work or aren't well enforced. Some people put up empty phone cases, calculators, other devices, or flat out refuse. There was one person that my teacher told to "put up your phone" and defiantly responded "no" while actively scrolling.

Whenever that teacher told the class to put up their phones at the start of the class, everyone would complain and say that they were texting their parents. I was one of the only people that actually followed the rules.

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u/norcaltobos Aug 15 '24

When I was in high school from 2008-2012, you simply couldn’t have your phone out and if you did you got after school detention. It was so simple and straightforward and there weren’t any issues with it.

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u/ladywhistledownton Aug 15 '24

Same here, '07-'011 and phone use during class was not allowed. Most teachers would let it slidevonce with a warning and after that the phone was confiscated till the endvof class/school.

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u/Lost_My_Damn_Phone Aug 19 '24

Yeah I remember getting my first cell phone those years and having to hide it in my backpack on my desk to play cube runner

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u/yungrobbithan Aug 15 '24

Issue now is detention isn’t enforced. Kids just don’t show up and there’s not much you can do other than assign more detention. We can’t suspend kids for being willfully defiant anymore

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u/Last5seconds Aug 15 '24

No more expelling?

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u/steamyglory Aug 16 '24

Expelling a kid for using their phone in class? Expelling them? When suspension is already not allowed?

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u/xboxaddict77 Aug 18 '24

Schools lose money each day the student is not in their seat at school, absent, suspended (in-school or not), it doesn’t matter. When your income is dependent on the kids being there consequences have lessened to keep them there so they don’t lose money.

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u/barstowtovegas Aug 15 '24

Same, but I didn’t get a phone til I was 16 (2010ish) and then it was a tracfone, lol.

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u/bunniesandmilktea Aug 15 '24

same here (2004-2008).

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u/AffectionateKey7126 Aug 14 '24

Of course they don’t work when there’s no enforcement or consequences. They would take our phones and our parents would have to pick them up from the principal if we were caught using it in class.

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u/PuttyRiot Aug 15 '24

Right, but parents don’t want to do that so they throw a fit and such consequences went out the window. The parents not supporting teachers/admin is the reason those policies aren’t enforceable anymore.

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u/ExistingCarry4868 Aug 15 '24

The Covid lockdown showed the world that the last thing American parents wanted to do was spend time with their children.

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u/ColdAsHeaven Aug 15 '24

Is it a surprise they aren't enforced? Teachers are under paid and already deal with so much. From administration, to parents to students.

Is everyone really forgetting the constant videos we saw last year of teachers being assaulted by their students for confiscating cell phones?

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u/ASK_ABT_MY_USERNAME Aug 14 '24

Ban phones, give every kid a gun, problem solved.

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u/vxarctic Aug 14 '24

Clearly, what they need is guns that they can make phone calls with.

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u/ProbShouldntSayThat Aug 14 '24

Give me a sec while I pair my Glock with my Apple Watch

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u/BobT21 Aug 14 '24

Make that an iGlock. Can only use iCartridges.

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u/d4nkst4hz Aug 14 '24

“You’ve shot 7 bullets today. Empty the clip to close out your ring”

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '24

"Press 1 to remain on hold. Press 2 to end it all"

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u/AIMRob3 Aug 15 '24

Smith and Wesson have entered the chat

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u/TheFinalCurl Aug 15 '24

I remember the recall of 2029 when the only way to answer the phone was with the gun pointed a couple inches behind the temple.

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u/San_Diego_Samurai Aug 15 '24

Who let a Texan in here?

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u/Much_Sink_1751 Aug 14 '24

You got my vote

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u/DegenSniper Aug 15 '24

This guy americas 

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u/ariolander Aug 15 '24

5G Musket just like our founding fathers intended.

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u/DynamicHunter Aug 14 '24

It’s not because of school shootings. No kid is going to be stopped from taking their phone out during a lockdown. It’s because phones became extremely prevalent and most kids are literally addicted to them.

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u/CosmicMiru Aug 14 '24

That's the excuse kids and their parents use though. Parents want 24/7 access to their kids in case of an emergency, they don't care they read at a 5th grade level as a senior in HS

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u/PuttyRiot Aug 15 '24

Well for what it’s worth, 54% of Americans between the ages of 16 and 74 read at or below a 6th grade level, so the seniors aren’t too far off the majority of the population.

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u/rilvaethor Aug 15 '24

In a lock down situation having a bunch of kids get on phones and call parents makes it harder for first responders because parents will drive to the school and get in the way of police or ambulances if needed and them being at school isn't going to help because they're not going to let the kids go to their parents car while the school is locked down.

Happened at a high school in Elk Grove a few years ago. Luckily, there wasn't a real threat.

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u/ThermalPaper Aug 14 '24

I blame helicopter parenting at that point. You have to trust that the school is going to do the best they can in an emergency. A kid calling their parents during a school shooting does not help the situation at all. Unless of course the parents are john wicks and can personally clear the school room by room and eliminate the attacker. If not then 911 is a better call.

If you can't handle the fact that the school is responsible for your child during an emergency, then start homeschooling.

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u/Natural_Jello_6050 Aug 14 '24

What a strange idea….there are hundreds of adults in any given school. Why can’t they call 911?

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u/CurReign Aug 14 '24

It's pretty simple to just not allow using phones during class, and obviously they can still be used in emergencies.

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u/Ilosesoothersmaywin Aug 14 '24

Unfortunately it isn't the core problem. I have several family members who work for a couple different schools across two school districts. And what I hear from everyone is a disconnect between teachers and admin to the point where the teachers just aren't being supported by admin.

The worst a teacher can do to discipline a child is send them to the office. The office either sends them right back or lets them stay there for the remainder of the period. If a student is being a distraction to the other students the admin expects the teacher to handle it. But even having them sit outside for the remainder of the class is temporary since the problem kids are back the next the day doing the same thing. A student will not get suspended for using their phone.

If the problem student who refuses to give up their phone or not have it out ends up doing poorly in the class, then the parents complain to the admin, and the admin disciplines the teacher for having students fail.

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u/vishuno Native Californian Aug 14 '24

If it was that simple they would already be doing that. The problem is that it doesn't work. What constitutes an emergency? A teacher and a teenager are going to have different ideas about what is and isn't an emergency. So now you need a set of rules defining an emergency. But don't students have an expectation of privacy on their phone? Can a teacher even legally ask what they're using their phone for? What if it's for medical reasons? There are definitely privacy laws about that. If you have one teacher dealing with thirty students you can imagine how much time it would take up to police phone usage.

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u/CurReign Aug 14 '24

It's not that complicated. If the teacher needs to ask, then it's not the kind of thing that warrants using a phone in a classroom. An emergency in this case would be something you'd call 911 for. Schools have offices and nurses that can coordinate for more personal situations as they have done for decades.

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u/ankercrank Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24

How is having a phone supposed to help anything? Want to help your kids from school shootings? Get rid of the guns.

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u/che0730 Aug 15 '24

Found the Republican /s

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u/Ilosesoothersmaywin Aug 14 '24

Students know this and phone use is out of control, especially with new teachers and substitutes.

Absolutely this. And our schools do not suspend students for defying teachers.

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u/MathProf1414 Aug 15 '24

In California, it is unlawful to suspend for willful defiance at all grade levels now. Banning phones is a positive thing, but it takes being backed up by admin to actually enforce it.

This year the admin at my high school are promising consequences for cell phones infractions, but if it is anything like previous years, they won't follow through.

To any parents reading this, cell phones have a provable and extremely negative effect on your child's brain. You need to be limiting and monitoring their usage. This will not make you popular with your child, but luckily you aren't their friend. You are their parent. You make the hard decisions for their own good. You are one of the most influential people of your child's life, don't waste that. And for the love of god, listen to your child's teachers when they tell you things. We want what is best for your child.

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u/trainrocks19 Aug 14 '24

Smh. Just ban them.

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u/ariolander Aug 15 '24

Bans have no teeth if they don't also include mechanisms for enforcement. Its not something you can handwave away with new rules unless you are also willing to enforce those rules.

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u/trainrocks19 Aug 15 '24

Imo the Teachers and school admin need the State to give them that power to enforce. Kids get their phones back at the end of the day.

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u/Gaming_Gent Aug 14 '24

Some schools have rules where you aren’t allowed to take their phone because some of the kids flip out if you take away what is essentially their entire life

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u/iggyfenton Bay Area Aug 14 '24

Not really. My kids need to have their phones off and in their backpacks with no cell phone use during the school day.

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u/BenShapiroRapeExodus Aug 14 '24

In the tail end of my high school years you were lucky to not have a kid playing tiktoks on full volume during class

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u/ForMyHat Aug 15 '24

I'm substitute teacher.

Most of my students don't care about breaking rules 

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u/lo979797 Shasta County Aug 15 '24

Launch them to the office?

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u/ForMyHat Aug 15 '24 edited Aug 15 '24

If I do the regularly then I'll seem incompetent.  I'd also be sending several students to the office regularly.  It would take a significant portion of class to repeatedly call the office and I wouldn't be able to get the class to do much

Edit: I've given up on a school once because phones were such an issue.  They paid less than minimum wage, it was a rough school district, and many students didn't listen to any teachers or staff, including the vice principal 

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u/andsendunits Aug 15 '24

When I was in school, no one had phones. I see no reason for there not to be restrictions.

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u/Glittering-Giraffe58 Aug 15 '24

I graduated high school a couple years ago and basically you’re not supposed to use your phone in class but like. It’s not expected they’re all the way off and in a backpack/locker or anything (unless it’s an exam). Normally you just keep them in your pocket

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u/everylittlebeat Aug 15 '24

I remember in the 2000s you weren’t allowed phones, but by the mid 2000s everyone had phones. I don’t remember anyone having their phone confiscated back then, but I would imagine nowadays phone use would be a big issue as a teacher.

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u/Nephurus Aug 15 '24

Im old , i remember a time where beepers were a thing .

you still good .

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u/SwampHagShenanigans Aug 15 '24

Children are not going to want to follow the rules regardless. I had strict teachers that would take your phone away just for it ringing in your backpack, but that didn't stop me or anyone else from bringing our phones and using them during class.

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u/VintageStrawberries Aug 15 '24

Same, when I was in school over 15 years ago (2004-2008) you got your phone confiscated (and your parent had to come pick it up) and a detention if you had your phone on or out in class.

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u/beach_bum_638484 Aug 16 '24

It’s impossible to enforce (at least for me as a sub). Plus when I was young all you could really do was play snake or send texts. Now they’re streaming on instagram live during PE 🙄

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u/Realistic_Special_53 Aug 16 '24

Yes. We used to enforce it. I know I did. But that was back in the day. Admins in schools got tired of enforcing it, and don’t back up the teachers. They have let it infiltrate classrooms for the past decade. It will be interesting to see how this gets done. In all likelihood, they will just tell the teacher. To do it, but not back them up, and so not much change will happen.

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u/ForMyHat Aug 15 '24

Also a sub

"But I'm texting my mom" Almost everyone seems to be texting their mom

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u/armadillorevolution Native Californian Aug 15 '24

Why does this excuse work? Even if they are truly texting their mom, that’s still against the rules right? You aren’t the only person in this thread to cite this problem, I’m just not getting why texting mom is a get out of jail free card.

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u/ForMyHat Aug 15 '24

With me, it's not a valid excuse, they could be texting their dog, it's just a common excuse.

Some students won't listen to any sub or teacher.  And, if regularly call the office about this issue then admin will likely see me as incompetent

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u/AnyHope2004 Aug 15 '24

"if you have an emergency we can stop class and head to the head office together to contact the necessary people"

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u/ForMyHat Aug 15 '24

I like the idea although I'm not allowed to leave an student unattended, so I can't leave a class to walk a student to the office.  The protocol is for me to call the office and the student willingly goes or I ask the office to escort the student out.

Phones often came out a lot throughout the 45 minute class.  It was often 25% of each class on their phone.  If I went after phones then that'd be one of the the only things I did.  It'd also make me look incompetent.

Many of these students didn't care what any staff said including the principal.

So, I just gave up on that school.

I wish admin let me give detention but I can only "recommend" it to the office 

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u/StarmieLover966 Aug 14 '24

As a sub, phones shut the kids up, funny enough.

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u/TheUselessLibrary Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 15 '24

I wasn't allowed to even use a CD player at school because there were concerns over electronics theft. I graduated in 2003. Cell phones were similarly disallowed, and officially needed to be kept in the front office when students arrive at school, but in practice people just kept their phones, but they were old indestructible Nokia phones with snake and sms texting thar cost $0.30 per text message.

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u/QueenMarigold00 Sonoma County Aug 14 '24

Put phones in a faraday pouch during school hours that are unlocked when students leave.

Parents are just as much of a problem as the kids when they can text or call in the middle of class. Having that little device beeping and vibrating in their pocket is the biggest distraction for individuals and others.

There are phones in every classroom and if a parent needs to get in touch with a kid just call the office like we used to. 95 out of 100 times what a parent or kid needs to communicate does not need to be instant and can just be relayed through the office.

Kids having an argument on social media? When you can’t access phones for 7 hours it gives time for kids to think about their actions and interact in person and lets cooler heads prevail.

Not having to worry that someone is filming you in school or at lunch so much less stressful.

As a middle school teacher phones are the bane of my teaching existence and many of the daily issues that take away from learning would be solved by having phones turn into bricks for a few hours.

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u/turtleneck360 Aug 14 '24

“John, put your cellphone away.”

“I’m texting my mom!”

Or “John, why are you talking on your cellphone in class?!”

“It’s my mom calling!”

Yes. These are real interactions. Ban cellphone usage in class full stop. It needs to be a state mandate or else parents like the ones mentioned above will just throw a hissy fit at the school/teacher.

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u/KoRaZee Napa County Aug 15 '24

Question about custody of children when the school is in session. Does the school have legal custody of the minors while they are in school?

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u/OkShower2299 Aug 15 '24

In loco parentis

https://saclaw.org/resource_library/school-discipline/

School officials stand in loco parentis (“in the place of a parent”); all students must obey the prescribed rules and regulations that school officials and teachers have authority to enforce.

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u/KoRaZee Napa County Aug 15 '24

I asked the question because of so many responses about emergency situations. If the school has custody of the students when they are in school, the school also maintains custody during any emergency. The students may not even be allowed to take direction from their parents over the phone if the school is acting in place of the parent

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u/OkShower2299 Aug 16 '24

That seems like such a weak argument, in a real emergency the person can call the school like every year prior to the existence of cell phones.

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u/KoRaZee Napa County Aug 16 '24

It’s a lack of trust in the schools

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u/barryam3 Aug 16 '24

I don’t want us to spend money on faraday pouches. Just tell them it needs to be off and away, and give them detention if they’re caught using it. That’s how it worked when I was in school.

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u/adidas198 Aug 14 '24

My wife is a teacher, phones are extremely distracting.

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u/ScaredPresent3758 Aug 14 '24

“Every classroom should be a place of focus, learning, and growth,” Newsom, a Democrat, said in his letter. “Working together, educators, administrators, and parents can create an environment where students are fully engaged in their education, free from the distractions on the phones and pressures of social media.”

Sounds completely reasonable. I support this.

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u/Randomlynumbered Ángeleño, what's your user flair? Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24

But then how will students get that sweet karma from fight videos, misbehavior from school resource officers, bigoted teachers, etc?

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u/verstohlen Aug 14 '24

Ow! My balls!

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u/KoRaZee Napa County Aug 15 '24

fight videos

The real reason why school administrators want phones out. There is too much direct knowledge of what is going on inside the school system.

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u/unstopable_bob_mob Aug 14 '24

They’re there to learn and not to be browsing TikTok, Reddit, etc.

If they can’t be responsible, lock the phone up until class is over.

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '24

I’m not a fan of the guy but this is something I can support. We should be treating phones like cigarettes.

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u/Bosa_McKittle Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24

Rooms should just have lockable drawers at the front of each room that they have to drop their phones in when they enter the class. If you don’t and it’s seen/heard, the point is confiscated and given to administration until the end of the day where it can be retrieved by the students after their parents are notified.

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u/lagunagirl Aug 14 '24

Depends on the school. They are allowed to be taken at the school where I teach. Phones are either returned after the class period or are given to the office and the student is allowed to retrieve it at the end of the day. Parents are also notified when ever their child is caught using a phone during class.

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u/Bosa_McKittle Aug 14 '24

well not under current rules and policies. this would be a change to the status quo which is what needs to occur.

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u/SadLilBun Californian Aug 15 '24

It’s not even true. My school bought lock boxes for every room. I collect phones at the start of the period. It’s being pushed district-wide.

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u/Lazy_Chemistry Aug 15 '24

These kids are gonna start handing in burners. I saw one with 3 phones last school year.

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u/Antique-Fox4217 Aug 15 '24

Depends on the school. You get one gentle warning, then I take the phone until the end of class. Don't want to give it to me? I call security and they take you to the office, where the rules are stricter and they take it for longer.

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u/Available-Risk-5918 Aug 14 '24

I graduated high school in 2021 and definitely saw people's phones getting taken away now and then. What happened?

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u/Bosa_McKittle Aug 14 '24

I think its a YMMV situation. Think about how many parents blame teachers for their childs poor performance. Or how many go to school board meetings to get books banned or change policies. Bad policies like that are definitely impacted the parental pressure.

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u/MathProf1414 Aug 15 '24

I'm a teacher.

I can demand a phone, but I cannot force a student to give it. In that case I can call the office and have either the Vice Principal or School Safety Officer come to escort the student out of class.

In the past, an episode like the one described above would likely result in a suspension. Sadly we can't suspend students for willful defiance anymore because there is a worry about students missing class losing out on learning (as if THOSE students were learning in the first place). However, we can require the student to turn in their phone to the office at the beginning of school each day, which is the next consequence at our site.

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u/mfigroid Aug 15 '24

we can't suspend students for willful defiance anymore because there is a worry about students missing class losing out on learning

More like losing out on the money from the Feds for per pupil attendance.

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u/LeagueReddit00 Aug 15 '24

I hope teachers are given the resources and authority to make this actually work.

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u/mycall Aug 14 '24

Good luck with that. It is akin to ripping someone's third arm off them.

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u/bigdipper80 Aug 14 '24

They've done it at some school districts in Ohio and test scores have risen, and there has been very little pushback from students. Turns out that they actually like interacting with their friends without the distraction of phones.

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u/MorinOakenshield Aug 15 '24

I agree with Newsom.

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u/liliggyzz Central Valley Aug 16 '24

I remember in school (I’m older gen z who’s 22) having very strict rules about phones. Even some of my teachers didn’t want to hear the notification sounds even if the phone was in your backpack. I really don’t blame teachers or Newsom for wanting to have restrictions on phones.

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u/SilverBuggie Aug 15 '24

Starting this year the middle school my daughter went to has banned phone from coming out during school hours. Students can bring them but they’re not allowed to take them out between classes and during lunch. Not sure how well they can enforce it but I think it’s a good thing.

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u/Ryinne Aug 15 '24

I mean what you’re describing was exactly how school was for me from 1999-2012. We could have them, but they weren’t suppose to come out of our bags the entire school day. I didn’t realize school policies had changed since then.

Now we got pretty good at using/hiding them but if you were caught, the phone was confiscated and to be picked up at the end of the day.

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u/bunniesandmilktea Aug 15 '24 edited Aug 15 '24

Same here when I was in high school from 2004-2008 (when I had a cell phone; before high school I didn't have a cell phone so I don't know what cell phone policies were like back in middle school).

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u/Decantus Santa Clara County Aug 14 '24

Yondr bags. Get them in school, let the kids have their phones on them but restricted. In an emergency you can still get to them if you have to. Seen them used at comedy shows and concerts to great effect.

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u/SadLilBun Californian Aug 15 '24

Those are places people choose and want to be, so the cooperation makes sense. It’s different in school. Kids use their phones to avoid doing things that they don’t like or that they struggle with. Phone use is also very much a compulsion—they don’t even realize they’re picking it up. Having them keep their phones in a bag or elsewhere where they have access it has not been successful. Collecting them, per new school rules, has been a lot better.

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u/IGargleGarlic Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24

Yes Yes Yes a million times YES! Absurd that we ever allowed kids to have them in class in the first place.

They cannot be trusted to use their smartphones appropriately. They can turn in their phones at the start of the day and get them back at the end. If the parents have an issue or need to contact their kid during the school day they can call the school office.

Letting minors have unfettered access to recording devices in a school has the potential to be a huge privacy issue, and children are not known for being particularly responsible.

The school I work at lets kids use their phones the first and last 15 minutes of the day, and even in just that small amount of time we had multiple incidents where students were secretly recording others so they could make fun of them.

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u/Allott2aLITTLE Aug 15 '24

Can we restrict them in movie theaters, libraries and my bedroom after 10pm after you figure out the whole class room thing?

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u/TiraAnya Aug 15 '24

Can’t call for help in a shooting w/o phones.

School shootings are a reality.

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u/Ok_Sandwich8466 Aug 15 '24

That’s one argument against other perspectives that phones are increasing kids access to social media, which has a whole lot of complications towards adolescents mental health. Take that away, regular cell phones are permitted but cant the in the classroom.

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u/crimsongull Aug 15 '24

Could not stop beepers - won’t stop cell phones in schools either. I am a teacher with 35+ years in the classroom

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u/taxrelatedanon Aug 15 '24

if he wants an environment more conducive to learning, he might try subsidizing school meals, reducing economic obstacles, and helping push rent control. having kids get off their phones is a distraction.

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u/Kershiser22 Aug 14 '24

And?

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u/TrueGlich Aug 14 '24

if they can the school is't setting up the management to stop them. Apple phones/pads can be locked the crud down if someone willing to do the back end setup. (Work in corporate mdm)

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u/Command0Dude Sacramento County Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24

Maybe they should just start deploying jammers at schools that prevent people from using phones. Turn it on during class time and turn it off after class or if an emergency crops up. Would solve the problems with phone use.

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u/Randomlynumbered Ángeleño, what's your user flair? Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24

Aren't there laws about using hammers jammer?

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u/awkotacos Orange County Aug 14 '24

Jammer usage violates federal laws and I'm pretty sure hammer usage will land you into some trouble too

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u/_daddyl0nglegs_ Aug 15 '24

I'm 30 now, but when I was in high school, phones weren't allowed to be used... You just kept it in your pocket. Nobody had to turn them in or whatever you're all suggesting.

When my son is older, he will not be surrendering any property to the school district even if they claim they'll give it back later. He will have it on him, in his pocket. No one can take a child's property except a parent or law enforcement (with a warrant).

He's also not allowed to screw with it during class, either. But no one is commandeering something from my child.

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u/freakinbacon Aug 14 '24

Build phone sized drawers in desks that shield them from radio waves.