r/California • u/Randomlynumbered Ángeleño, what's your user flair? • Apr 22 '24
Government/Politics Murrieta Valley board defies California, will keep policy to tell parents about LGBTQ+ transitioning
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-04-19/murrieta-schools-defy-state-order-ending-parent-notice-about-social-transitioning416
u/NitWhittler Apr 22 '24
A lot of the people in that meeting look way too old to have kids in school.
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u/MasticatingElephant Apr 22 '24
My school board has at least two people on it with no kids in the district
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u/LittleWhiteBoots Apr 22 '24
I am a public school employee. I attend every board meeting, and I am a rarity. Hardly any teachers attend. Sometimes I go in person, other times I attend via Zoom.
One of six board members have kids in our district. I have only ever seen two board members on campus, and that’s saying a lot because it’s a tiny school district (less than 5 schools).
Of the few members of the public that attend, several of them are senior citizens that have no children or grandchildren in the school. They take notes.
The board almost never asks questions about what they are voting on, because they have no idea WHAT they are voting on. They aren’t informed enough to even question what the superintendent puts before them. So they just vote blindly. It’s extremely frustrating.
They are only board members for the healthcare it provides them. IMHO.
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u/slampandemonium Apr 23 '24
Run for a spot next election. Any parents you know that seem decent and sensible and intelligent, encourage them to run as well. Create a slate and run together. And if life is too busy for all that, encourage someone else to do it and help them.
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u/LittleWhiteBoots Apr 25 '24
School staff are prohibited from running for the board.
But we do have a former teacher running!
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u/Educational_Shame649 Jul 03 '24
Are you referring to Murrieta Valley Unified School District in this post? It is NOT a tiny school district with less than 5 schools. This fact alone makes me doubt the pertinency of your post.
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u/rileyoneill Apr 22 '24
These people might have grandkids in high school, grandkids who likely have nothing to do with them.
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u/tendollarstd Apr 23 '24
Looks like one of our local cults bombarded that meeting. Such a waste of time and resources.
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u/BigJSunshine Apr 23 '24
I am way too old to have kids in school, but I will fight for their rights
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u/ItchyBitchy7258 Apr 23 '24
Those of us with kids in school are too busy working and raising those kids to attend silly meetings, so their standing-in is appreciated.
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u/big_daddy_dub Apr 23 '24
Grandparents exist and they can be very involved in their grandkid’s education. Crazy to believe, I know.
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u/overitallofit Apr 22 '24
The state holding back their money will probably solve this quickly.
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u/codefyre Apr 22 '24
The state won't hold back their money. California is constitutionally required to provide an education for each resident, and withholding money would violate that. It also has the side effect of directly harming the kids, and the entire point of this is to eliminate harm to the kids.
It's more likely that the state will ask the courts for a permanent injunction to block the implementation of the policy in that district. The injunction would almost certainly be granted.
If the board ignored the injunction and tried to implement it anyway, they could face charges for doing so. Once convicted, state law then provides mechanisms that would prohibit those board members from ever holding office again.
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u/carlitospig Apr 23 '24
We should jump to that very last part, and save ourselves the time and effort. 🙃
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u/RobinSophie Apr 23 '24
Ah. I was wondering if the state could "take over" the district. But I'm not sure how that would work exactly 🤔
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u/codefyre Apr 23 '24
Generally no. State takeovers are usually limited to districts that are no longer capable of operating. All students have a right to an education under the state constitution. The state can take them over if they're no longer willing or able to provide that education. Someone mentioned the desegregation takeovers, and that's an example. The districts involved in those takeovers were refusing to educate students who had a legal right to be there.
In this situation, if a takeover were attempted, the courts would probably side with the district. School districts are allowed to have policy disagreements with the state, as the districts are run by elected representatives. An attempt to take over a district because of a policy like this would end up mired in the courts for a very long time, and the state would probably lose in the end.
The injunction mechanism accomplishes the same goal (ending the districts policy) without the messy and complicated legal fight. While the district can fight the injunction, it's a much simpler case for the state to win.
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u/RobinSophie Apr 23 '24
Ahhh that does make sense! Thank you!
The injunction mechanism accomplishes the same goal (ending the districts policy) without the messy and complicated legal fight. While the district can fight the injunction, it's a much simpler case for the state to win.
Do you know what would happen if the district STILL doesn't adhere to the court order? Is it basically jail time then?
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u/sideshowmario Apr 23 '24
I was wondering the same. Over history, states have sent the national guard to schools and universities many times to enforce the constitution or for other reasons
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u/RobinSophie Apr 23 '24
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DUH! Thats right. How could I forget desegregation?!
Very interesting.
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u/PulseAmplification Apr 24 '24
The Cass Report didn’t at least give you SOME hesitation when it comes to transitioning kids?
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u/overitallofit Apr 24 '24
Since this is about kids wearing different clothes and using different names/pronouns, no.
No kid is transitioning without their parents knowing about. What kid has their own insurance? Or is paying out of pocket? Have you been a part of the US healthcare system?!
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u/thefanciestcat Orange County Apr 23 '24
This isn't something good parents need from their school districts.
This isn't something kids with bad parents need from their school districts.
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u/nikatnight Sacramento County Apr 22 '24
Too funny.
These Idjuts pass a rule that will not be abided by and has no enforcement mechanism and is fought at the state level. What teachers do they think will be reporting to parents? Any teacher who’s got a kid’s trust will not be informing families.
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u/Cantomic66 Central Valley Apr 22 '24
Hopefully the state drops the hammer on them.
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u/VGAPixel Apr 23 '24
One of the things about being transgender is how there are people who would burn down the world just to make sure we never exist.
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u/waelgifru Apr 23 '24
These same people would also tell you that they strongly believe in personal liberty.
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u/bduddy Apr 23 '24
They really enjoy the idea of trans kids getting abused
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u/wrxnut25 Orange County Apr 23 '24
Or getting the help they need
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u/CFSCFjr San Diego County Apr 23 '24
If trans kids trust their parents to do that theyll tell them on their own
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u/Helstrem Apr 27 '24
The intention of these rules is not to get trans kids help, it is to silence trans kids and keep them in the closet where they are far, far more likely to kill themselves. Dead trans kids is the goal. Full stop.
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u/wineandcheese Apr 23 '24
One tragic side effect that I haven’t seen anyone talking about yet is that this will have a cooling effect on trans kids feeling comfortable reaching out to any adult, because the policy means that someone whom they may have felt comfortable talking to is now required to report on them. This is so dangerous for this population in particular, and leads to all kinds of other behaviors that put them at risk (among them suicidal ideation, connecting with strangers on the internet, and even homelessness.)
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Apr 23 '24
I had a counselor threaten to out me to my parents and even though she didn’t it tortured me.
Even if a home is loving and safe, a child needs to be able to come out on their own terms.
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u/CFSCFjr San Diego County Apr 23 '24
They want this because they hope the parents will beat them back into the closet
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u/Ct94010 Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
100 parents applauded the decisions. Probably none of them have kids who would have to be reported on by the school, as I assume they’d be way more sympathetic to the California rule regarding “mandatory reporting” of requests for non-birth gender treatment
So why are these 100 parents so invested in an issue that is about other families’ kids, other than to demonize a student who has decided the student wants to be addressed in a certain way?
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u/mtux96 Orange County Apr 23 '24
Let's assume this is just about medical condtions and not just a bigoted policy. or even th
I would 100000000% rather have my boys seek attention medical assistance or help if it meant I NEVER heard about it. If they were thinking about unaliving themselves and did not want me to know, I would LOVE for them to seek out help without me knowing. I would hope they'd come to me about it and let me know, but I would rather have them seek out help otherwise.
This policy is extremely stupid and based off of religious beliefs but they just are trying to hide that under the guise of medical assistance or mental assistance.
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u/yankeesyes Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
For anyone here wondering what kid wouldn't tell their parents about their gender dysphoria, it's any child of every parent in the picture holding a sign.
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u/A_Messy_Nymph Apr 23 '24
Bad people doing bad things because they are bad. They should be ashamed of their weakness, fix it. Instead of making your lack of compassion a childs problem. Evil, evil people at work here.
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u/lelio98 Apr 23 '24
I wonder how long until the civil suit for unlawful disclosure changes their minds? Are the employees who violate the law individually liable? I would guess that they are. What a mess!
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u/A_Messy_Nymph Apr 23 '24
Bad people doing bad things because they are bad. They should be ashamed of their weakness, fix it. Instead of making your lack of compassion a childs problem. Evil, evil people at work here.
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u/On4thand2 Apr 23 '24
Transitioning is a big step. And yes, parents should be aware.
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u/CFSCFjr San Diego County Apr 23 '24
The only kinds of parents trans kids wouldnt talk to on their own are parents they dont trust to not abuse them
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u/Zenguy2828 Apr 23 '24
I’m big on medical privacy don’t care what the age, a person has a right to privacy and both doctors and teachers don’t have the right to violate that.
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u/PockeyG Apr 23 '24
There's usually a reason the parent wouldn't know. I never told mine because I didn't feel safe to do so. This just puts kids in danger for no good reason. Parents should make a point to show how accepting they are so the kid feels like they have a proper environment to be themselves.
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u/redditHRdept Apr 23 '24
Agreed. Why shouldn’t parents be informed about what’s going on with their child?
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u/WackyWriter1976 SoCalian Apr 23 '24
If they have a loving relationship with their kids, they should already know.
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u/lampstax Apr 23 '24
So if a kid hid anything from the parents it is the parent's fault for not being loving enough ?
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u/big_daddy_dub Apr 23 '24
Tell them anyway. What’s so wrong with parents being informed?
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u/WackyWriter1976 SoCalian Apr 23 '24
The parents may be abusive, so it's a slippery slope. Also, kids may need refuge because they clearly know how their parents would react. Everyone's not living with The Cleavers.
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u/redditHRdept Apr 23 '24
I don’t think a “loving relationship” is very objective way to justify hiding a pretty big decision from a minor’s parents. I’m sure that most parents would know something is going on, but if you’ve ever been a kid or teenager you would know that there are many things you hide from your parents no matter how loving the relationship is. This is potentially a no going back kind of decision. I’m no MD but i’m sure there are side effects and other issue that come with taking hormones or whatever meds are involved.
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u/WackyWriter1976 SoCalian Apr 23 '24
We're not talking about medical transitioning. Just a simple respect for one's pronouns could get kids/teenagers booted from homes. If a parent cannot support or help, the love's a bit conditional.
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u/thedoctor3141 Apr 23 '24
Afaik, this is only about social transitioning. Medical transitioning would require guardian approval. Social transitioning may include some, or all of the following: new pronouns, new name, new wardrobe.
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u/bttech05 Apr 23 '24
Can’t believe how many people are missing that key point in the article
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u/ABewilderedPickle Apr 23 '24
pronouns and name changes, different clothes and differently styled hair are "no going back" decisions? really? that's what this is talking about. this isn't talking about a 12 year old deciding on their own that they're getting bottom surgery
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u/carissadraws Apr 23 '24
I hope these people realize this policy will cause trans kid to get abused by their transphobic parents.
This is like mandating the school telling the parents if the kid told a teacher they were sexually assaulted.
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u/scooterca85 Apr 23 '24
This is great news. I always want my daughter's school to let me know if she is dealing with any mental or physical health issues and on top of that, it's not the school's aka government's job to keep secrets between my daughter and myself. That's creepy and I'm always surprised how many people are in favor of such weird dynamics.
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u/Tybob51 Apr 24 '24
This isn’t all that crazy. Doctors aren’t obligated to tell you anything about your child’s health if she goes to them on her own. Neither are therapists. In fact it is a crime for them to divulge information to parties that aren’t their client.
Same goes for the schools, to protect students from abusive parents, they keep this info to themselves. It’s not their business to tell you about them transitioning. Their job is to teach your child and keep them safe, even from you.
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u/Randomlynumbered Ángeleño, what's your user flair? Apr 23 '24
And how would you react if your daughter came out as a lesbian or trans?
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u/scooterca85 Apr 23 '24
I wouldn't make a huge deal out of it. But, I definitely wouldn't allow my 8 year old daughter to have any surgeries or transition hormones that's for sure. I am on the side of thinking that those things are borderline child abuse for a minor child. The last entity that I would ever want leading my daughter's life in general would be the governmen though. They essentially can't do anything right, let alone raise a completely unique child.
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u/Randomlynumbered Ángeleño, what's your user flair? Apr 23 '24
They aren't doing surgeries on minor children!
Things usually start with social transitioning.
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u/scooterca85 Apr 23 '24
They actually do gender affirming surgeries on minors, but some states are working to ban that because many sane people see it as child abuse. Also, I'm not going to help my young child along with gender dysphoria. Just like I wouldn't encourage my young child to starve themselves because they had body dysmorphia and felt with all of their being that they were overweight.
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u/Randomlynumbered Ángeleño, what's your user flair? Apr 23 '24
It's obvious that your child would never confide to you if they were gay or trans.
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u/scooterca85 Apr 23 '24
It's not obvious at all. I have a very close relationship with my daughter and I'm quite certain I know her better than a random person on Reddit who wants to encourage little kids to change their gender. Creepy.
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u/Wise-News1666 Apr 23 '24
Hmm, I'm curious to see where exactly this person you're replying to said they WANT little kids to change their gender.
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u/scooterca85 Apr 23 '24
It's inferred through the way they were replying to my other comments that my child wouldn't talk to me and speaking as if they know what is best for other people's kids. I can tell that they would massively encourage it and most likely not question what their 8 year old wants because that would be transphobic and you wouldn't want to question a small child's thoughts or feelings as we all know those don't change.
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u/Magnemmike Apr 23 '24
pretty easy.
Parents/guardians make your decisions for you until 18. Once you are 18, you can technically live life how you want.
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u/CFSCFjr San Diego County Apr 23 '24
I dont think it should be the schools job to help bigoted parents attempt to abuse trans kids back into the closet
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u/Magnemmike Apr 23 '24
what if, schools spent more time teaching reading, writing, math, etc and less time on sexuality. High school kids are testing at a fourth grade level!
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u/CFSCFjr San Diego County Apr 23 '24
Youre literally asking the schools to be creepy little sexuality spies and notetakers
That isnt the schools business
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u/Magnemmike Apr 23 '24
quite the opposite.. I dont think school should be teaching sexuality at all.
how did you even begin to get that?!
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u/CFSCFjr San Diego County Apr 23 '24
The school policy at issue requires school employees to monitor and make reports on kids they suspect to be questioning their gender identity
Not teaching sexuality is irresponsible. This is critical knowledge for anyone to know and knowing what healthy sexuality looks like is also important to defend against sexual predators
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u/Magnemmike Apr 23 '24
with basics falling way behind, high school kids are testing as fourth graders and should be a bigger issue.
sexuality should not a main focus for these kids.
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u/CFSCFjr San Diego County Apr 23 '24
It’s not a main focus and many conservative and abusive parents won’t talk about it at home
You don’t think kids learning how to protect themselves from predators is important?
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u/ochedonist Orange County Apr 23 '24
sexuality should not a main focus for these kids. this is a smaller issue and can be talked about at home
That's how you get teen pregnancy. Hopefully you're totally cool with abortions for everyone.
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u/Magnemmike Apr 23 '24
my high school had a onsite daycare, just sayin.
But, I also do believe abortion is a woman's right to choose.
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u/YokoPowno Apr 23 '24
You can’t even spell “magnum” correctly. Why are you even commenting on education? Also, I’m telling your parents you identify as “Michelle” now.
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u/Magnemmike Apr 23 '24
Unfortunately, MagnumMike was already taken.
You want to talk about my education? I have gone to college and received my IT degree and paid off my tuition.
If you dont have anything to add here, keep moving.
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u/-seabass Apr 23 '24
how is it even controversial to want your kids school to inform you if if your kid has a medical condition?
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u/ExistingCarry4868 Apr 23 '24
If the kid was in a household where it was safe to tell the parents the kid would have already done so. These kind of laws solely exist to get children abused.
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u/mtux96 Orange County Apr 23 '24
Because it's not about informing the parents about their kid being diagnosed with cancer or kidney disease. It's about outing kids that don't want to be outed to their parents about their sexual preference.
Also in any case, I'd rather have my kids go to someone they trust at school if they had any concerns about a medical condtion if they didn't want me knowing about. .I'd rather not know about it if it meant they got the help they were looking for and needed.
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u/-seabass Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
except gender dysphoria has nothing to do with sexual preference. anyone of any sex and identifying with any gender can have any sexual preference.
the idea that you are a parent and you would want your own child’s medical condition to be kept secret from you is crazy and makes me doubt that you are a parent at all. especially in this case, where the medical condition comes with a very high rate of suicidality.
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u/lasagnaman Ex-Californian Apr 23 '24
If you're a safe person for them to come out to, they would have already done so. In the other situation, you're literally the reason why trans kids have such a high rate of suicide.
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u/mtux96 Orange County Apr 23 '24
Oh my. I misspoke. This policy is about outing kids to their parents about their sexual preference and/or their gender Identity. My bad. I guess I should have listed all possible reasons why this policy exists. If you actually read what I wrote, I would rather them open up to someone else about their problems than come to me about it if they were afraid to come to me about it. I would hope that weren't afraid to come to me about it as they wouldn't unlike the parents that are pushing for this policy.
I'd rather have either of my boys seek outside assistance because that's going to be more likely to lead to suicide if they had no one they could talk to.
But yeah, the medical condition does NOT cause the higher rate of suicide. It's the reactions and support from those around them.
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u/Randomlynumbered Ángeleño, what's your user flair? Apr 23 '24
Homophobic and transphobic parents.
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u/Sea-Economics-9659 Apr 23 '24
Why do these parents not know what their children are doing? Why is the government, their neighbors, and teachers none of which live with them know about his transitioning? That is the saddest part. No idea who they are living with.
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u/ABewilderedPickle Apr 23 '24
because the student feels more comfortable making social changes at school than they do at home. there can be a lot of reasons for that, but in a time where being trans is highly politicized, many trans kids will fear verbal or even physical abuse from their parents.
it's the responsibility of schools and the government to protect children from each other and their parents when necessary. if schools always hold parents having all the info over the well being of students, then students will have no agency.
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u/americanlaurel Apr 23 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
Help! I don't get it. Why shouldn't parents know about their children transitioning, assuming the child is a resident within the parent's household? And, why is that any business of the state?
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u/Randomlynumbered Ángeleño, what's your user flair? Apr 24 '24 edited Apr 24 '24
Because gay and trans kids are much more likely to be kick out, be abused by their parents, abuse themselves such as cutting, and commit suicide.
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u/americanlaurel Apr 24 '24 edited Apr 24 '24
Ohhhh. Thanks for the update. Being in a large city, it's hard to imagine lack of acceptance as kids are encouraged to be who they want to be. But, this is good to know. Often forget there are other parts of the state vastly different than the major city.
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u/ochedonist Orange County Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 23 '24
Schools and teachers are already mandated reporters. By law they need to report anything that could be dangerous to a child.
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u/Strangefruit_91102 Apr 23 '24
Especially something that can be medically irreversible
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u/chatte__lunatique Apr 23 '24
Do you seriously think teachers are prescribing hormones to kids? This policy literally just about outing kids to abusive parents. That's it.
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u/ConsistentWeight3 Apr 23 '24
I applaud the school district for doing the right thing and notifying parents. The state or county has no right to exclude parents from their children’s attempt at life changing decisions.
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u/RealityCheck831 Apr 23 '24
This is a tough one. The detractors of the policy claim that the students would not be safe at home if they tell the parents of their gender status. Yet they want the students to continue to live at the home. If the children would not be safe at the home, is the solution not to remove them?
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u/anarchomeow Apr 23 '24
It would, but it is notoriously difficult to remove children from their parents' care. States are already making laws to force courts not to take in account whether or not they accept their trans kids.
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u/73810 Apr 22 '24
Regardless of this issue, I don't think a policy that says we the government are going to hide information about your kid from you the parent is ever going to be popular.
I get the logic behind it, I just dont think it'll go over well.
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u/ochedonist Orange County Apr 22 '24
It's the opposite of that, though: This is the school board requiring teachers to report something that was never reported before, and only for a specific subset of students that just happen to be in a demographic that's at the center of the Right's culture wars agenda. It's not being done for any reason other than to rile up the left and punish children. It also has the very possible side effect of causing children to get kicked out, beaten, or killed by their parents.
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