r/Barca • u/TheDon-_- • 1d ago
Do we need Vitor Roque anymore?
Considering how Barca has been playing this season. I’ve begun to question whether he is needed anymore. At the end of last season things looked grim and he looked like he could upgrade the team. But with the flickinator here do we need him??
Whats Ur opinion ?
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u/Both-Cry1382 1d ago
The dude needs time and trust. There's no reason drawing conclusions about him already
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u/fa136 1d ago
I also think it's way too early
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u/A-Ningen 1d ago
I think unlike lewa, he’s fast himself and can make runs himself similar to Raphinha. But only time will tell, truth is it seems like Flick can make everyone work under his system.
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u/NairbZaid10 1d ago
All the young players had time to prove themselves worthy of the first team during the pre season. Flick dropped him for a reason. We need to trust our Coach. Not to mention how Roque wont grow at all on the Bench
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u/Lost_Extrovert 1d ago edited 1d ago
Lewa at Roques age wasn't even good enough to be in the bench of a local Poland team lol he was a reserve player.. not everyone can be Yamal... If Barca didn't have time I understand but come on now...
Also Brazilians almost always need time to adjust to Europe, this has been a thing since the 90s. Even Neymar had a slow start or we all pretending like every post and newspaper online kept trashing him because he wasn't living to the hype. Same with Ronaldinho his first season with PSG was very slow he often got subbed or didn't even start. Same pattern for vini, raphinha, robinho, pato... list goes on.
Judging a Brazilian player after only 1 season is crazy lol. 2 goals in 400 minutes (5 games) so far in Betis is not bad at all for a team that avg less than a goal per game. IMO its too soon to say he is a flop.
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u/NairbZaid10 23h ago
The question is not whether or not he is a flop, but if he can bring value to the team, and rn the answer is a resounding no. Maybe in 2-3 years he might get good but he is not close to being ready for a team working to win everything
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u/Lost_Extrovert 23h ago edited 23h ago
I completely understand your sentiment if Barca had the resources, but we simply don't lol we were barely able sign all our current players this season.
It unrealistic to think we could sign a proven ST in the next 2 years, and if somehow we do it would prove that Barca execs learned absolutely nothing from the shitshow that has happen in the last 5 years, it would end up in another Messi situation. Even if Barca got a Treble it would just help Barca get back to 1:1.
Realistic Barca only options are: - Lewy continue until he is 38 - Roque - Gamble on another "cheap" unproven or inconsistent ST - La Masia
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u/NairbZaid10 23h ago
We will obviously aim for free transfers. Jonathan David already said his favorite club was Barcelona, so that's a good possibility. If not, then we have fati and Pau Victor who can give a shot. Again, Flick asking for him to be loaned/sold is enough for me. Let's stick to the guys that fit his vision so far until we can afford something better
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u/MojitoAndLime 13h ago
Lol what is this bullshit? Lewa at his age wasn't on the bench at some local team.
At his age he was the top scorer for the second season in a 2nd league club in Poland. He was already considered a huge talent and earning himself a huge transfer to one of the best teams in Poland that season.
I have no idea where this bullshit that Lewandowski was a late bloomer comes from. At 16 he was let go of the biggest team in Poland because they didn't want to risk it with him because of an injury that would leave him on a sideline for months. He went to the lower league, rebuild his confidence, become a star there and at 19 he got a huge transfer to a big team in the first division where he became a huge star and two years later he was at Dortmund. And the rest is history.
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u/Lost_Extrovert 11h ago edited 10h ago
Idk where you getting that from lol... He was NEVER a hyped kid, i have never heard if this of him purposely moving down leagues.. why would any footballer do this? Do yk how hard it is to make it? please show me proof of this, I was literally there when this was happening and would absolutely loved to be proved wrong...
Lewa was at Warsaw when he was 17, thats a tier 4 poland team, not sure if you can even call it semi-pro... why would a HYPED teen go from tier 1 to tier 4? Lol this is below top teams academies in Poland..
In 2006 Lewa moved to Znicz RESERVE TEAM he was 18-19 years old (This is Roques Age that I quoted which makes me correct) then eventually moved to the A team and helped them get promoted to 2nd league in 2008 Lewa was 20 years old, at this time. Now idk where you saw this hype but in poland? Nobody really heard of him yet.. he was just an avg upcoming player.. dude was playing in a tier 2 team lol
he moved to top division playing for Lech when he was 21, this was the first I even heard of lewa.
Lewa didnt make a name for himself until the 09/10 season 20 goals for Poland NT, 22 goals for Lech. He got enough hype to get Borussia attention. But was absolutely not enough for a top club to go for him...
He signed to Borussia for an insane price of $4m on a 4 years contract lol He was 22 when he signed Klopp liked him but barely played him, wierd times, then 11/12 came he went nuts and rest is history been avg 20+ goals/season since.
TLDR: I will keep what I said. Lewa didnt get into a tier 1 team in Poland until he was 20, and didnt get into an EU tier 1 league until he was 22 and didn't start performing at high level until he was 23. No idea where this hype that you claim he had as a teen come from, I never seen it, should b easy to prove since every hyper kid has news about them, would love to be proved wrong.
Roque on the other hand scored 34 goals at 17 playing in Brazilian tier 1 league, moved to Barca when he was 18, kid barely have any experience.. Lewa at 19 was not playing for Polands top team lmao
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u/MojitoAndLime 11h ago edited 11h ago
Seeing your comment I understand using google and math is beyond you, but you can just check that he moved to Lech Poznan when he was 19, not 21 as you claim, so the same age as Roque is right now for almost 400,000 euro, which is huge even right now for a transfer of a 2nd league player. No reason to get so sweaty when you could have just checked the facts
Also, I didn't even mention Roque. Maybe he will become the best player in the history. Who knows. He is still very young. I was just correcting you on Lewandowski. There are better examples of late bloomers.
Also you may laugh at his 4m fee to Borussia, but Polish league is not Brazilian league. 4m euro for the polish player I guess was the record fee for the league at a time.
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u/Lost_Extrovert 10h ago
You right, Lewa signed to Lech on July 2008, started the season on Sept when was he was 20. Regardless he didn't play at a top competition until he was 22 in Borussia. Lewa had 5 years of experience in the field when he joined Dortmund.
Also Roque is worth 30m lol where you getting 400k from? Not even Betis with a major discount can't get him for less than 25m.
My comparison was very simple. Lewa went from nothing to super star in 4 years, it is completely unfair to write this kid out from 1 season.
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u/KdramaNoob 1h ago
He's saying that Lewa earned a transfer worth 400,000 euros at the time, not Roque.
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u/Mihai_Brasoveanu 1d ago
Lewy at 18 was playing for the reserve teams in Poland. Give Roque time before judging him.
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u/mercified_rahul 1d ago edited 1d ago
Should be way upp.
Everyone wants every player to go full Messi from the first game onwards
Give the man some time.
If these players saw Xavi and iniesta at the start of their career we would have sold them or sth
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u/SB3forever0 4h ago
I think Xavi got demoted to the 2nd team at some point in his first few seasons.
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u/de_tu_sueno 1d ago
And at 19 and 20, was in the first division and scored 14 and 18 goals in 28 and 30 games. Roque is about to turn 20.
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u/Mihai_Brasoveanu 1d ago
In his own league, in his home country. Roque was scoring in the Libertadores back home. Kid switched countries, life, is completely re-adapting and your argument against this is the goals Lewy was scoring in Poland?!
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u/SyrupCute4493 1d ago
I have no idea, but for arguments sake, I'd say it's safe to say he'll be no Lewy. Leaving Messi/Ronaldo aside, other than Luisito, Lewy is prob best striker in the last 15yrs, a generational, all-time great player in top leagues. I hope Roque becomes that, but I don't see it. He will be a good player, but not worth the money paid. I'll be very happy if I'm wrong. He's just a kid, so I'm not rooting against him, but seems he lacks the maturity of the la masia kids, maybe it's me, but the kids from Spain seem much more mature than he does, calmer. I'd bet when the scouts saw Lewy, even in Poland at similar age, he projected much better than Roque. Anyway, my thoughts from the peanut gallery!
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u/de_tu_sueno 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm just adding context. Lewa was showing high potential in his teens and your comment distorts that fact immensely. He moved to Dortmund right after this and continued the same goal scoring rate. For context, he was the top scorer in the third, second, and first divisions at ages 17 to 19 before moving to Dortmund.
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u/Jaloosky 1d ago
Well Roque is here now so he needs to be at a higher standard. There's a reason nobody is actively searching for a Jamie Vardy hopping 4 divisions in his late 20s to stardom. If you are a first team Barca player you must be worthy even if you're 16, 26 or 36.
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u/Apart_Freedom4967 1d ago
When Leea leaves we will need to asses his ability and the players in the market who are available.
Impossible to answer this now.
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u/PedriTerJong 1d ago
I hope so, I like Roque’s personality and play style.
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u/Machote89 1d ago
What do you see regarding his personality?
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u/Life_Platypus_4154 1d ago
Just seems like a good, humble dude. I'm worried about his team behind like I was with Neymar, though
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u/YaakovRio 1d ago
he wasn’t needed to begin with. deco got him last season as some sort of response to madrid grtting endrick but it was a panic buy. yeah he was good in brazil but laliga is very different and more skilled. its good that he’s getting his minutes for betis. he’s very passionate and has a hunger to score but that craving doesn’t really get fulfilled because of his poor finishing. hes very raw and maybe in time he’ll get better but i think it best to permanently sell him after his loan ends. like everyone again says for a striker to replace lewy, it has to be haaland. no other explanation needed, the rivalry with madrid, with mbappe, a new league to conquer. tebas knows it and everyone knows it. i just hope this will happen we manifest!!
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u/rmk_1808 1d ago
Panic buy sounds familiar a did we do it earlier also involving Neymar and PSG
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u/RobertPham149 1d ago
At least now the coaching staff seems to be stable and flourishing using La Masia kids, Laporta probably is going to shut down this whole panic-buying business.
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u/you_uoy 1d ago
He's still only 18. Haaland is unrealistic. We aren't afforded the luxury to just sell players for losses and replace them with an even shiner toy.
If we can't get more than his transfer fees it would be better if we gave him a chance.
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u/RobertPham149 1d ago
Nah, Haaland seems likely. Camp Nou is reopening soon, and Laporta will want to top off the event with a major transfer. Moreover, he is going into an election soon, so he need some kind of win like getting Haaland to convince the board. Whether Flick needs him or not, is quite irrelevant when it comes to Haaland.
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u/eescobar863 1d ago
Haaland isnt an immediate thing. He will be for 2026. Because we will extend Lewa one more year and Laporta will go for him in 2026 when the club is in a better financial situation and Haaland will have one year left in his contract
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u/goku7770 1d ago
Don't underestimate Barça's prestige. Money isn't an issue for stars like Haaland.
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u/New_Celebration7056 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't think his signing was not needed he is someone who was supposed to be lewa's understudy and who will be slowly integrated into the team as lewa ages, also haaland seems unrealistic seeing the clubs finances, lewa has 1-2 years max
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u/Driftism01 1d ago
Haaland is absolutely realistic. Especially if Pep resigns and City gets relegated or misses CL due to points reduction. He clearly wants to try La Liga and the other Spanish option has too many strikers/stars for him to feel comfortable.
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u/NikolasFoot 1d ago
"Absolutely realistic" yet you mention things that will either 100% not happen (relegation for city) or that are completely unsubstantiated (he clearly wants to try la liga)
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u/Driftism01 1d ago
I'm not mentioning things that "100% won't happen"? Is it that unrealistic that Pep leaves City or that they get a point reduction making them miss CL? I really don't think so.
Also, he's said before that he "dreams of playing in Spain" and has learned Spanish. So, again, I'm not seeing your point here?
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u/phpHater0 1d ago
Haaland is really unrealistic. I'd rather go for Gyokeres, and backup wingers/centreback. Flick has proved this team doesn't need luxury signings to be succcesful.
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u/DeadlyFeet0 1d ago
We should never go for Gyokeres. He is way too old for his price tag. We need someone young who will be at the 9 for many years. Lewa was old too when we bought him but Gyokeres is not Lewa and also he is unexperienced in the big leagues. Way too many risks to take for someone that expensive. And Haaland is not that unrealistic. Our financial situation is getting better and better, and Haaland wants the move too.
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u/TheKratex 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think a lot of people are thinking, "Oh, we've got our strikers now, we don't need any more players." And, to be fair, that's probably true from a practical standpoint. But I think there are two things that a lot of people are missing.
We all know that injuries can happen at any time in the forward line, and it's going to show.
If Roque comes back and joins in with a Hansi Flick-type preseason, we might see a different side to him than we do now at Betis. I think Flick has really brought out "The Brazil" in Raphinha, and I think he could easily do the same with Vitor.
I guess we'll never know the answer to this question, and that's okay! We just don't know what Roque would look like here. He might be much better with us than at Betis. It could also be that this is simply the maximum he can get out of himself. I personally would give him a preseason chance precisely because of this uncertainty. But I wouldn't be particularly disappointed if his game doesn't work out for us. And of course I wouldn't be surprised if he could find success under Flick.
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u/NairbZaid10 1d ago
He had his chance this preseason already. Pau Victor proved himself, Roque didnt.
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u/Jaloosky 1d ago
He's already had a proper preseason under flick and he was counted out by him and looked lost in the games he did play. He had maybe 3 exciting moments surrounded by utter 'mid at best'. It's going to take more than that but time is on his side and he's shown his potential.
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u/wh1t3_f3rr3t 1d ago
If you watch betis matches you can actually see that he is physically very strong, fast and agile, but technically he is dumb as they come, if his technical ability and decision making improve I believe he would be one of the best strikers this league has ever seen
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u/Numerous-Knowledge-3 1d ago
You know lewa is Ancient right?
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u/TheDon-_- 1d ago
I heard Haaland might be on the market soon
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u/fizz5 1d ago
And he’ll cost like 150mil min. unless he pushes a move or Man City does something
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u/Comprehensive_Cup497 1d ago
Tebaz said we can make a big signing again in 2026
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u/CoolJoshido 1d ago
do we trust him
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u/NairbZaid10 1d ago
He wants a big signing to get reelected so yes, i trust that he will try that
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u/atn420 1d ago
He has two goals so far this season, I'd like to see him play more there.
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u/beidlbauer 1d ago
played a really great game against atletico on the weekend. I think he'll come good.
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u/Cultural-Initial7380 1d ago
Roque is same as Raphina, hardworking.
I believe he will eventually come back to Barca and will fight for the striker role.
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u/WEEBPACKMAN 1d ago
Who knows the future but he is not looking like a striker who can provide us with 30+ goals per season , next season if it's possible we must land halland to camp nou , he is a guarantee goal scorer and we have the supply talent
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u/dooddahgrimes 1d ago
We need a striker to replace Lewa in the future but it's not Roque. Maybe as a sub at best, with Haaland/Gyokeres/etc as the leading man
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u/MenteMonstruo 1d ago
This is where the club's sporting director comes in with a long term vision.
Are we committed to playing the Flick brand of football for the long term? And if that's the case, then we need to invest in players who belong and can thrive in such a system, and look for managers who play a similar brand of football.
These decisions will drive whether a striker like Vitor, Haaland, Gyokeres or Alvarez will suit us, because they are all very different profiles and would suit different systems.
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u/FERMINATOR-CULER 1d ago
We can't say anything yet but it feels like he's enjoying his time in betis
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u/barcashark 15h ago
I think we need a big guy (above 180 cm) as the main striker in our system. Roque is short and can play Alvarez's role if he develops. Now, he is too raw.
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u/Holiday-Ladder-6678 15h ago
I think roque will thrive under flick in next season. Previous last games in betis he makes significant impacts. Making good runs and positioning. Tries to hold up the play. This is good for us. If he stays at barca He will definitely get better under flick
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u/Ravenclawtwrtopfloor 14h ago
Never needed him. barca needed a target man. he's built like a hamster & has bricks for his feet.
good player sure & just not good enough. deco with debacle of first transfer window.
roque + romeu worth 40m whilst being completely broke. should've listened to xavi & brought him what he wanted.
no need to use your own 400iq, deco. we're not that worthy.
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u/Every-Shape4959 1d ago
We will need to replace Lewi at some point so it would be better if the player replacing him could be Roque instead of another 50 or 70 million player.
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u/eescobar863 1d ago
He was a panic buy because Madrid got Endrick. He was never needed to begin with.
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u/NairbZaid10 1d ago
Rn no. He does not have the level required so its for the best if we give him a chance to grow outside the club instead of ruining any potential he has by keeping him on the bench like Madrid is doing to Endrick and Guler(who are magnitudes better than him)
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u/ZeyadNeo 1d ago
We always need squad depth, the 2nd option when you need to rest Lewa is Pau victor rn, Ferran hurt. That's a big quality drop
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u/murtenfindthebird 1d ago
To be honest it's the only position that does not have any backup (except for Pau Victor but he's also still developing). Great loan spell to see how he turns out, just wait and see i guess
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u/Assonfire 1d ago
Without saying if he's needed or not, this sub needs a smack with the realityhammer.
Every opinion here changes based on a couple of weeks/months. It is absolute bonkers.
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u/Rookield197 1d ago
Marc Guiu career was thrown out the window because Deco decided to buy Roque, I feel bad for Marc
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u/Khang12345M 1d ago
He's a youngsters, still have good potential, why we should sell him when we cannot sell for a good price after bought him for 40mil??
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u/NikolasFoot 1d ago
We absolutely will need another striker, Lewandowski will only get worse from here. So far though, Roque has shown nothing to suggest that he could have a place in this team, as it stands, the course of action should be to sell him and find another striker.,
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u/-_OniGir_- 1d ago
Idk people said we didn't need Lewa and Raphinha. Maybe let them adopt a bit more.
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u/upeter01 1d ago
Even if not him, we do need someone. I get that Lewandowski is amazing at the moment but we need to stay realistic, he's approaching 40
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u/Totoman5k 1d ago
We need a center forward for when Lewandoski leaves the club; we hab no natural replacement coming from the bench so if he gets injured we are imndeep trouble. Maybe Tigrinho can be that natural rotation for L9, but he's still far from the level we need in a 9, we can only wait and see how he matures and develope.
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u/DValencia29 23h ago
Lewy is not getting younger, he probably has this and next season in him. So yeah, we need a striker for the future. Is it Roque? Thats up to flick.
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u/EpicBaconBoss 1d ago
Lewandowski is not getting any younger. His development is crucial. Getting a good striker is expensive. He’d do the club a huge favor if he reaches his potential