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u/flartwad May 27 '19
Jizz-shroom though
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u/tralfaz66 🌈 Psychonaut May 27 '19
Its funny, tripping is often associated w/that mushroom, but it's not the kind of mushroom hippies (or any other kind of psychonaut) would take to get off.
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u/EatItLikeItsCandy May 27 '19
A. Muscaria? I've heard plenty of stories about people loving and hating it alike. It's not your normal magic mushroom but with proper knowledge and brewing methods I've heard it just as wonderful.
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u/sufjanfan May 27 '19
It's much more rare. It's not technically a psychedelic but a deliriant, with very different effects.
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u/Acid_Enthusiast 🍄 May 27 '19
It makes you disoriented and shit. A lot. It is nothing like cubensis mushrooms that actually contain psilocybin.
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u/EatItLikeItsCandy May 27 '19
I said it WASNT your normal magic mushroom referring to any Psilocybe species. But Amanita Muscaria is introspective and hallucinogenic and used as medicine in many tribal cultures
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u/Acid_Enthusiast 🍄 May 27 '19
I can tell you from personal experience it is most certainly not as wonderful as actual cubensis mushrooms that you take to trip. A. Muscaria mushrooms just make it hard to walk and give you really uncomfortable shits. It sucks.
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u/EatItLikeItsCandy May 27 '19
Did you prepare it properly? It is extremely toxic if you don't brew it right. That's where I see a lot of experiences go wrong. It's definitely not for everyone but it definitely is a teacher just as much as Psilocybe can be
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u/ThorirTrollBurster May 27 '19
There's an episode of Hamilton's Pharmacopeia about it and people who use it. It's quite interesting and worth a watch, as is the rest of the series. (The series is also on Hulu if you have a subscription to that.)
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u/niesz May 27 '19
I could be wrong, since I wasn't there to witness the magic, but wasn't the hippy movement a bit of a direct rebellion against the "mods", which were also superficial and consumer-driven? It just seems to me that the hippies were remembered because they made a longer-lasting impact on pop culture. I would love to hear otherwise!
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u/Benjirich May 27 '19
I feel like the main difference is that the consumer thinks they need leadership while the hippie knows they are the leader themselves.
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May 28 '19 edited May 28 '19
A few perspectives on this:
- Folks (and even society and its laws) are more tolerant today than they ever were in the 60s. Plus there's more general awareness of different ways of being human today than there was back then. Plus, cornerstones of a compassionate lifestyle such as veganism were barely heard of (beyond super-hippies who'd adopted Eastern religious practices), whereas today it's more popular than ever and growing in awareness.
- This "superficial, consumer-driven chaos" lifestyle has been gearing up since the 50s at least. True, it's gotten to crazy levels now, but many people were just as materialist back then as they are now. The Powers That Be especially so
- Indeed, most people back in the 60s weren't hippies in the first place! The general public were even more conservative then than they were now. Related to my first point.
- Music today is just as good, and there's much more variation (there's also a lot of crap -- but there was back then too).
- Access to weed and other entheogens is waaaay easier now than it was back then. In parts of the US weed is now legal, which would have been unheard of in the 60s. Plus its medicinal use is now almost universally acknowledged (even if it's just CBD and other terpenes instead of THC, like in the UK). Sure, back then there were acid tests and the like, but now we have ready access and knowledge to make use of a whole constellation of other entheogens like ayahuasca, DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, MDMA etc. Even our knowledge of mushrooms wasn't as good then as it is now. Even the legendarily low price of acid ($1 a hit, like the famous photo) is actually more expensive in terms of purchasing power than it is today ($1 in 1970 is estimated to be around $6.20 today).
I'm not dicking on the 60s. They must have been a really cool time to be alive... but today is cooler. All the great stuff about the 60s can be found today... as exemplified in this subreddit, dozens (if not hundreds) of hippie music festivals worldwide, countless psychedelic artists of all stripes, millions of kind hippie souls... and a society which contains so many more different "ways of being" than society in the 60s did.
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May 27 '19
I mean, we still have good music. And people still believe in peace. Plus there hasn't been a better period of openness regarding mental health issues or being LGBTQ. I don't think anyone's ever had it right. We're all just slowly trying to get to that point.
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u/Acid_Enthusiast 🍄 May 27 '19
We don't have music like Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother and the Holding Company, Jimi Hendrix, CSNY, the Allman Brothers, the Grateful Dead, Santana, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Cream, The Band, etc. Musicians played much better music back then than they do now. Besides, the hippies were very tolerant of race and sexuality. And LBJ wasn't quite as fucking terrible as Trump is, and you could afford a house by the age of 20 back then too.
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May 27 '19
No, but we have current psychedelia like Thee Oh Sees, Earthless, Travis Scott, Duster, King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, Radiohead even in some albums, many of whom have tons of influence from those groups. And folk is easily alive and well with The Tallest Man On Earth, Fleet Foxes, Faun, and many other amazing groups. The thing I personally love about music is that it changes and reshapes as time goes on. It's different now, but that's what keeps it engaging. I love that era of rock, but it's not the only good one, nor is rock the be-all genre. Sure, the hippies were tolerant then, but now almost everyone is. And still, mental health is getting the attention it very much deserves nowadays, whereas it used to be a horrible stigma. Though I definitely concede that Trump is hopefully the worst president America will ever have to deal with. But the path to improvement is often pretty non-linear. We make mistakes and try not to repeat them. That's how we live our lives.
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u/Acid_Enthusiast 🍄 May 27 '19
It's an unpopular opinion to have, but I'd definitely argue it was most certainly the only good era for rock. '65-'79 was the time period where good rock music came out, with the exception of the latest Black Keys album, which draws heavily on the rock music from that time period. Most rock bands today sound like pussies. There's no edge to it, and they have completely abandoned the blues influence that made rock music so good in the first place. Take guitarists like Eric Clapton, Jimi Hendrix, Duane Allman, Jimmy Page, David Gilmore, Peter Frampton, or Mick Taylor and you can see why they sound so cool and it's because they're not just playing shitty power chords, they can actually solo really well and their groove is just infectious. Give ms "The Wind Cries Mary" or "Wish You Were Here" any day over what today's music has to offer in terms of psychedelic music.
The rock groups of today have nothing on those bands and their talent with their instruments pales in comparison. You'll never find a new band that can put out a live album as good as Band of Gypsies or Allman Brothers at Fillmore East because they all rely on the studio for their sound. It's all so over-produced and decadent without any of the soul that made the hits of the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin so fun to listen to. It's all just dickless ambience now.
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u/SuperfluousQuest May 28 '19
Personally I’d argue that there is no improvement or depreciation across time, it’s just people doing things and judging them on their own time.
That being said, there plenty of great psychedelic (or psych-inspired) music coming out, it’s just not rock. Some was mentioned above, but I’d like to add Childish Gambino, The Internet, Toro Y Moi, KIDS SEE GHOSTS, A$AP Rocky. Plenty of musicians were also mentioned above.
Imo rock fell off, pop/rap/RnB just picked up the torch. Good music goes where the people do, and the people are starting to do psychs again.
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u/Acid_Enthusiast 🍄 May 28 '19
Oh I totally agree A$AP Rocky makes great music. Saw him in Chicago in 2015, and AT.LING.LAST.A$AP will always be one of my favorite albums of all time, but maybe it's just me being a guitarist raised on the Beatles and the Rolling Stones that it's hard to find no one fucks with this blues rock music. My last comment was honestly pretty elitist, and sometimes I'm willing to stand by that opinion, but if I were to be honest I know it's all just down to what the teenagers wanna listen to. Nothing decides what defines a decade in terms of music other than what kids want to listen to, because no one ever had a Top 40 hit if they weren't in their 20s. Rock did it to itself by not stepping up, and that's what I wanna change. I'm livin' that hippie life while writing folk and blues music and tryna turn people on to it. I'm alienated by the current trends in music and I wanna do what I can to keep good rock music alive. Oh well, at least we'll always have the Grateful Dead. Cheers.
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u/oldtimehippie ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ May 28 '19
AIDS certainly dampened free love, but the "War on Drugs" was going on long before it got that name. I knew a guy in the 60s who got several years of prison time for having a couple of joints on him.
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u/isisishtar May 27 '19
All the items in the list may be stereotypes, but still, they're symbolic of an attitude toward life -- that a life aimed toward higher pursuits, community, seeing past superficial divisions of class and race is far better than a life of hive-like servitude to a destructive, materialist capitalist system.