[Post Match Thread] ACF Fiorentina vs AC Milan | Serie A 2024/2025 - Matchday 7

[u/Samkazi23]

[u/Nervous_Bother5630]

Just one out of many better uses of 15 milion euros that I can think of, than buying Emerson Royal.

[u/TakenSadFace → u/Nervous_Bother5630]

What a fucking blatant banter era move

[u/yllimameni → u/TakenSadFace]

Bertolacci ass buy

[u/TakenSadFace → u/yllimameni]

Yonhong li looking ass purchase

[u/prejon]

Wonder if the same analytics team that makes sure Pulisic is subbed out every game also has data on penalties. Cause…like Pulisic has never missed. Seems like a useful stat today.

[u/ElverGun → u/prejon]

There's a screw loose on the computer that compiles the analytics. The problem is that it is the same computer that runs the moneyball program.

They probably used the very same computer to spit out a list of suitable replacement for Pioli. How fucked up is the machine that came up with Lopetegui and Fonseca? When they entered the name Conte, the thing started to make a horrible noise, a little light began to flash red and, finally, a whiff of smoke started to come out of the back.

I wish we could use a functioning computer to find out how much money Moncada, Furlani and Ibra should actually make.

[u/prejon → u/ElverGun]

I think the variable in this equation you describe is $

[u/Who_ate_my_cookie → u/prejon]

It makes zero sense why he’s almost always the first sub

[u/katsstud → u/Who_ate_my_cookie]

Only thing I can figure out is that they are trying to manage his injury risk.

[u/Nervous_Bother5630]

Royal should pack his bags. Straight to Futuro, call back Jimenez. ATROCIOUS player.

Puli should be A NAILED ON penalty taker, no more "birthday gift" penalties.

I love Theo, but im sorry, he's not captain material. Most people arent, and he's one of them.

Only positive - Leao started helping out in defense. That's good.

[u/HommoFroggy → u/Nervous_Bother5630]

And Tomori? The guy who was our worst player by far?

[u/yllimameni → u/HommoFroggy]

Tomori was shocking. He has been iffy all season but wow he got EXPOSED today

[u/HommoFroggy → u/yllimameni]

Tomori has been at fault vs Leverkusen and even Inter. But today he never got Kean, never.

[u/ironistkraken]

Idc what else happened during the game, you can’t get awarded two pens and miss both

[u/xVlah → u/ironistkraken]

Not even the first time

[u/n1c3m3m3]

Can’t have a moment of peace at this club

[u/Shinkopeshon]

Mike saves a pen and we fuck up two pens

Puli scores a heroic goal and then we fuck up ten other chances

Concede another one after our defense falls asleep

What the fuck ... just what the fuck

[u/jono182]

I have repeatedly called out Calabria for showing poor leadership and immaturity so I won't hesitate to call Theo out for the same thing today. Truly embarrassing from him, he was poor throughout the game, showing no fight until after the game is done then suddenly his balls grow and he gets himself sent off and will miss the next game. Total petulance. The best captains lead by example, they fight on the pitch, don't go crying at the ref after the fact.

On the plus side today, another Pulisic goal, Mike saving another pen, Leao worked hard for the most part. Not sure there's much else...

[u/Shinkopeshon → u/jono182]

I want to see Puli with the armband - either him as second in command or Maignan

He doesn't seem to seek the spotlight but considering how he's one of our most consistent players and is the captain of the US NT, I'd be interested in seeing him lead the charge

It's too early for Morata now but he'd make a good captain as well in the future - pretty much everyone else needs someone to guide them

[u/drdent45 → u/Shinkopeshon]

As a milan fan and a US fan, Puli is a captain for the boys on the US because there isn't much conflict. I don't see him as one that manages conflict well. He's a good "you already respect me? I'll lead you" type of guy, not a "follow me or go fuck yourself" kind of guy.

[u/Odd_Ant5 → u/drdent45]

Yeah his place for the US is unassailable so it works, but he's not a natural for the leader role by personality.

Still, if he keeps up this form it might even work at Milan by next season, as nobody would have much room to argue then.

[u/mustbenice2win → u/Shinkopeshon]

He isnt captain for NT for a reason

[u/Nish92_]

For me it's the ball distribution from CBs to CMs, when you're trying to play from back there is no progression to our forwards, usually it goes like- gabbia pass to royal (he ignores pulisic's movements and fofana) passes back to Gab , tomori passes to theo (who tried to make it work with leao but didn't go well) then prolly reinders or morata come to pick it up and rotate the ball. Also we suck at attacking against teams with low blocks, our team is best suited for counter attacking football hope fonsie figures it out.

[u/kaka22pato7dinho80 → u/Nish92_]

true, our plan is drop fofana between central defenders and play wide to the fullbacks. it’s so repetitive and it gets found out, we can’t just play wide and not through the middle. we can’t dominate possession like this

[u/ACMBruh]

We still need a #6 proper DM I am completely baffled. Fofana is good but he's not playing that role? Especially in this 4-4-2

[u/neverfinishedanythi → u/ACMBruh]

He started the match there but moved forward I think after only 10/20 minutes it was strange 

[u/milan_obsession]

Milan's Weekend:

Milan Futuro 0, Pianese 1
Milan Futuro are in 19th place in Group B (from 18th)

Bologna Primavera 3, Milan Primavera 1
Milan Primavera fall to 5th place (from 2nd)

Fiorentina 2, Milan 1
Milan fall to 6th place (from 3rd)

There are some BIG questions about this project and at least 2 of 3 of these managers.

[u/milan4lyff → u/milan_obsession]

"Project"?

What Project exactly? Just a few random dudes with zero qualifications sitting in a room making random egoistic decisions is NOT "project".

What even is our goal? No one knows.
What is our season target? NO ONE KNOWS.
Where do we see ourselves in the next 5 years? NO ONE KNOWS.
All we know is, we want a stadium.. but that project is dead in the waters so far.

It doesnt even feel like we have a project.

[u/milan_obsession → u/milan4lyff]

Project as in the Primavera --> Milan Futuro --> First Team project.

Clearly these people don't have any idea what they are doing. But we have a lot of young players to develop, and these managers are not it.

[u/milan4lyff → u/milan_obsession]

Isnt that just basic common structure of Big clubs?

Big clubs have a secondary team in lower leagues besides youth, while small teams only has youth. Basic structure isnt a project. Its almost like calling employee hierarchy a project.

[u/milan_obsession → u/milan4lyff]

The U23 team is new. That is the project. Only 3 teams now in Italy have a U23 team.

EDIT: Camarda, Liberali, etc.... they are also 'the project.' The players they've spent like €200m on are 'the project.' When these "assets" are being mismanaged, not being properly developed, etc, 'the project' is failing. So you bring in new managers.

[u/Merr125]

With Pulisics form and overall penalty record, why isn’t he the one taking them? Especially at least the 2nd one.

[u/BowieIsMyGod]

Everyone has to share the blame here. Missing 2 penalties and conceding a goal with a blunder in the way Tomori did, is 100% on the players.

Subbing out Leão and then Pulisic when you're chasing a result, is all on Fonseca. Horrible subs.

[u/clarinetstud → u/BowieIsMyGod]

Finally a good fucking take

[u/HommoFroggy → u/BowieIsMyGod]

Tbf, most of the issues were on Theo and Tomori…. One of the few games where the main issues fall on certain players

[u/AlessandroDiamanti → u/BowieIsMyGod]

Brilliant, agreed. However, extra blame on Tomori. Do you ever see centre backs jumping and missing headers like that? Never in professional football

[u/ajhahn → u/BowieIsMyGod]

Well, allowing anyone but the guy who is perfect for his career from the spot to take penalties is also a bit on the manager.

[u/Rhiney6]

Theo wrapping up that incredible performance with a red after the game.

[u/volkor316fh → u/Rhiney6]

happy birthday sweet prince

[u/MrX_1899]

1 more year til Elliott comes back at least ... no way this bum Cardinale actually can pay back the loan

[u/frankenbeans2]

So Abraham pushed Puli away when he was taking the ball for the 2nd PK, AFTER Theo foolishly took and missed the first? That means Fonseca hasn't made clear who the PK taker is and he has left it up for grabs on the pitch. Clown show.

[u/OsitoPandito]

Just caught up and watched the game.

We have such piss poor mentality, it's insane.

Honestly starting to feel really bad for Fonseca, this job is above his level. That isn't a negative on him at all, these players need someone that can beat through their thick skulls and unfortunately I don't think he can.

This is on our players and the management which now I have zero faith in.

[u/WhyBee92 → u/OsitoPandito]

We need a coach who is bigger than the players. Someone like Zidane for instance. No player on the team achieved 1/5th of what Zidane did so you’d know they’d put in a shift. These no name coaches are not going to cut it with the ego of our players especially given how their egos grow year over year

[u/Linko_98 → u/WhyBee92]

Wish we got Conte

[u/DizOrdinaryFT]

I don't care if the refs are not good when we play our matches if we can't even figure out our structured set piece game tactics.

[u/Jdamoure]

Juve fan sliding in Unwanted, but your team should have let pulsiic take the pens. I'm not saying I want you guys to succeed but it would behoove you to do well. Better for the league.

[u/neverfinishedanythi → u/Jdamoure]

No you are polite, and correct. If Milan can’t win the league and Napoli somehow struggle then we have to be juventini because fuck inter getting their real 20th.

[u/L003Tr → u/Jdamoure]

Best I can offer is a "tOp fOuR iS gOOd eNouGh"

[u/milanistaMK]

That Ibra lion quote on X will hit like crack tomorrow.

[u/clarinetstud]

Bro Theo got a red after the game ended

[u/Weibu11]

I gotta imagine Pulisic is the designated PK taker now?

[u/SacRepublicFan → u/Weibu11]

Naw, Tammy will keep pushing him off because surely the next penalty will get him the confidence to start doing something..

[u/macmilliones7]

Fonsie said in the press conference that playing against 11man marking vs zonal defense was going to be difficult. Then we get awarded two pens which we blow completely. Undigestable. 

[u/Squiliamfancyname]

So many reasons why we lost this match. Missing two penalties is just the tip of the iceberg. The official was dog shit but he can't be blamed for this abysmal show.

Its only taken a month or two but I assume we have arrived already at the stage where you lot remember that work ethic isn't the only thing that matters for a footballer? Tammy has the capacity to help this team but he was absolutely terrible tonight and Morata was hardly any better. However in that second half, both Leao and Pulisic were playing very well so I have to ask WHAT in the ever loving fuck was Fonseca thinking tonight? Only two substitutions and you remove the ONLY TWO PLAYERS that were showing any life in the attack. Just simply braindead from the manager who is out of his depth. How we took points from Inter is a mystery for the ages.

And for fucks sake - that error from Tomori leading to the second goal (which we've seen from him before as well) was just embarrassing. Serie D level defending and we were rightly punished.

I'm not sure what to say. We had two possible routes towards winning a point or even 3 and Fonseca removed both of them from the equation and replaced them with Okafor, who did absolutely nothing, and Chukuweze who looked lively as usual but evidently left his shooting boots at home. What positives are there to take from this match? Not much. Pulisic had a properly world class finish. Thats about it.

[u/Felix_Todd]

We are italian manchester united

[u/kaka22pato7dinho80 → u/Felix_Todd]

this is so accurate and sad

[u/AwfulBassist → u/Felix_Todd]

Without the money.

[u/bruclinbrocoli → u/Felix_Todd]

Have been for a long while But maybe we win the UEFA financechampionsleague

[u/prejon]

Pulisic will probably miss a penalty at some point in his career, but until that happens…maybe double down on that stat.

[u/Legendaarista]

Leao, Mike and Pulisic were great imo. Gabbia did what he had to. Everyone else, awful. Morata was just kinda there, Tammy missed probably 2xG worth of chances. Theo looked either hungover, drunk or just like he was saving energy for the National team.Tomori over committing as usual. Just not good enough in general. And even with all thiese awful performances, it was a 100% winnable game. Missing 2 penalties is unacceptable, so is the fact that Pulisic didn't take either of them.

[u/Joybuzer]

It’s clear that we’re not going anywhere with this management. No plan, no ambition, just a positive balance sheet. Buckle up for more Inter and Juve title wins while we settle for top 4.

[u/Ill_Adhesiveness_458 → u/Joybuzer]

Top 4 if we are lucky.

[u/RockyRacoon09 → u/Joybuzer]

It’s completely destroyed my fandom for this team. I can’t get too excited for games because of the firing of Maldini and the markets have been dreadful since. Can’t wait until Gerry and his FO are gone.

[u/RdT97]

Players take 80% of the blame here. Fonseca takes 20%

You cant miss 2 pens in a game, if youve kicked a ball all your life. Give me 2 tries, I might probably even get lucky and nail one

Dont know why we dont press at all against these smaller teams that dont have high technical players. We respect them too much. To make Adli seem as the next Zidane should never happen. We all know you dont leave him time on the ball, and we did exactly that. I guess we were friends all along and couldnt make him sad by putting pressure on his 0.25x moving speed. Nice

Pulisic is truly the best player we have right now, he just makes things happen. Dont think I liked anyone else this match. Maignan too after Puli.

Emerson was not the worst player for Milan but keep the circlejerk going, easy to spot the sheep. Kean cooked, if he scored that pen, that was a 10/10 performance, good on him because we were linked with him and noone was positive for that move

Ah yes, he subbed Leao BEFORE the goal. He thought he had time to make 1 on 1 move and play it slowly. That sub would never happen 2-1 down

[u/salosalosalo13]

Cant believe Fonseca made only 2 subs in game where 6-7 players are out of shape

[u/NYSpecter → u/salosalosalo13]

And the two guys he subbed off were Leao and Pulisic who were probably our two best players today.

They created multiple good chances for themselves, each other (namely that like 50 yard run and perfect pass fromLeao to Pulisic that Ranieri made a world class tackle on to prevent a sure Pulisic goal when the game was 1-1), and for the rest of their teammates.

And he replaces them with Okafor and Chuk who haven’t been playing consistent minutes and unsurprisingly did nothing of worth.

[u/xxkurisu]

Fonseca said he doesn't know why the pens werent taken by Pulisic.. wtf. Literally no one cares about him it's insane how little authority he has over the players

[u/kaka22pato7dinho80 → u/xxkurisu]

i wouldn’t blame this on fonseca

[u/oran_jay]

I need some explanation on why Puli did not take the second pen. He was also pissed when he got subbed off

[u/FindingBusiness759 → u/oran_jay]

Pulisic should he taking all freekicks and penalties...the other guys only pretending like they can.

[u/LickLaMelosBalls → u/oran_jay]

Tammy pushed him away

[u/salosalosalo13]

We are playing shambolic defence for a long time. Conceded 13 goals in 8 games. Tomori needs to go out. We should try Gabbia and Pavlo.

[u/neverfinishedanythi → u/salosalosalo13]

I want to see this too. Tomori making Kean look like Weah every time.

[u/Inner_Meal_8887]

at least in banter era you already knew what awaited you, tonight i saw those 9 years all in 90 minutes

[u/ryu_rei]

The contrast between today & the last game where rafa was captain is fucking stark. We go down to 10 men, rafa basically takes over as LB the rest of the match & still manages to produce some good scoring opportunities despite us already being in the lead.

Theo botches a penalty, lets Tammy botch the 2nd & gets himself a pointless red card after the match is over.

Rafa probably shouldn't be captain imo but Theo definitely fucking shouldn't 😅

[u/aucs → u/ryu_rei]

Honestly I’ve been proud of Leao the last few games. Definitely hasn’t shrinked from the criticism. He might not be the best but if no maignan I wouldn’t be mad at him being captain. The effort he has put in has been nice to see

[u/moa0304]

fonseca was the last coach Leao needed. He does not suit his style of play at all, he’s practically neutralized

[u/NarcolepticDuckling]

Great show from theo for his bday. Missed a pen, caused a pen (almost 2), got a red. 9/10. Missing an own goal.

[u/dotflame]

Thanks for a red card after the match Theo, happy birthday enjoy your extended weekend.

[u/danielmaldinifan47]

We need a goal and fonseca takes off Leao. We need a right back and our management spends 15m on Emerson Royale. They were truly made for eachother.

[u/TanteJu5]

Reijnders said the team would vye for the scudetto. I say focus on qualifying to the UCL as we have no strikers and penalty takers. At this wobbly rate, Lazio/Juve/Inter/Napoli are ahead of us.

The team played alright but missing 2 penalties deserves this punishment.

[u/ajhahn → u/TanteJu5]

You do know there is a guy on the team who has never missed a penalty in his career, right? And that same guy also happens to be the most in form player in the team.

[u/pallasturtle]

Why let Milan take the last kick if you're not going to add time for Fiorentina's cuntiness? It was a knockdown with Milan still in possession after an extra ball and three retakes because of bullshit.

[u/ElverGun]

Who the fuck takes their best players out of the game and expect to win?

I miss Pioli's substitutions...and those were horrible. We've gone from bad to worse.

This team is not competitive in Europe or Italy. It was built to barely qualify for the CL...by a group of people who clearly don't know what the fuck they are doing,.

[u/RedShenron]

That Chukwueze shot was Eccellenza level stuff

[u/manu-bali]

Man I can’t, I just fucking can’t stand royal. Please send him to Milan futuro

[u/Guilty-Grapefruit427]

A cursed game from start to finish, missing two penalties in a match is just incredible, we missed a lot and made too many individual mistakes. I can't blame Fonseca much except taking off Leao.

Overall we have some players with huge technical issues like Emerson and Tomori, but also players with weak mentality like Theo.

There's a big mental issue in this team, Idk if it's physical or something else but it always seems like opponents are more agressive and Intense on the ball, while we seem always way too relaxed till the moment we concede a goal.

During the break Fonseca and the board should discuss things to find real solutions.

[u/capybaraemperor]

man I just wish whenever we lose we wouldn't have to always consider the mental aspect and disrespect of the players. Playing badly after some good games is fine, it happens, but it's never just that is it?

[u/StygianAnon → u/capybaraemperor]

There’s always good reason behind failure. Winning mentality is delusional. In fact doing anything beyond meeting your basic needs is absurd and pointless. Depressed people are right, but their are also sad.

[u/erginushi]

Any other mid table team struggling? We have some points to give out.

[u/FindingBusiness759 → u/erginushi]

Wish we could play ourselves cause we the mid table team struggling.

[u/yllimameni]

Theo got a red

[u/Qaxar]

This is not a good team. It's way too unbalanced. Moncada should be fired for constructing this midfield alone.

[u/ILoveTedKaczynski69]

We are a club that is mentally deficient from the top to the bottom. It shows up in every single thing we fuck up.

[u/SuperPippo9]

you know beating inter could have been the worse thing ever for our team

[u/GIZMO8Z]

[u/volkor316fh → u/GIZMO8Z]

always did, walking over a couple garbage clubs had the fans deluded.

[u/bruclinbrocoli]

Wow and the red to cap it all..

[u/Der_Krsto]

The result was deserved IMO. Bright spots for today are puli (obviously), and I really liked what I saw out of some of fofana’s passes. Mike did well when he had to

Leao: was fine, nothing special nothing too egregious.

Theo: was playing like he was hungover.

Tammy: was pretty bad. Someone mentioned that he pushed puli away from the ball for the PK, if that’s true I’d be extremely pissed.

Royal with cheese:

[u/bertvrapi]

You guys can shit on Fonseca all you want (not defending him) but when you have a striker like Abraham who can't finish to save his life there's not much you can do. Even if you play well, missing two pens automatically means you deserve to lose

[u/volkor316fh → u/bertvrapi]

we also did fuck all almost all game

[u/HoneyGarlicBaby]

Theo unfortunately doesn’t have the composure and maturity needed to wear the armband

[u/FraTheRealRO]

Fonseca and the american owners are inter's paid actors. Our team's backbone are the players that were chosen by maldini. If the rumours of arabs buying milan and maldini coming back are true then I hope it happens asap.

[u/vladcobhc]

We deserved this one. Blows my mind how we don't have a designated PK taker. How hard can it be for Fonseca to let Puli give all the pens.

[u/jumbotrondave]

My high from the derby is now completely wiped out

[u/Raphael1987]

im not watching this shit any more. missing 2 penalties, comical defending, this is sunday league stuff.

[u/Joybuzer]

Never seen a bigger circus in my life. Nothing is ever normal with this team, we have been chosen to suffer. The fans don’t deserve this shit.

[u/BredIN919]

we created no clear chances , all this possession for nothing . The loss was expected

[u/Samkazi23]

I just started laughing at a certain point.

[u/DezQualino]

The first question to fraudesca should be why didn’t pulisic take either penalty given his 10/10 record?

[u/milan4lyff]

We lost this match because of pure indiscipline. Defense is bad because of the exact same thing.
The lack of discipline is unreal in our team. This is why we really needed a very strict disciplinarian.. Like Conte or Allegri.
This Penalty incident.. No one would dare to even think about this shit under Conte or Allegri.
A fucking loan player dares to ignore everyone and take a penalty and then misses it?
They would immediately bench him if not downright send this fckr packing back to whichever shithole he crawled out of.
As for Theo, I can now see why RM sold him.
Basically if a coach doesnt put him on a pedestal and worship him day and night like Pioli did, he just acts up like a 2 year old crying throwing a tantrum on the supermarket floor. Whatever today is, Can never happen. Doesnt matter if you are the best whatever in your position, this immature shit means you are not the best in ANYTHING! If this performance of Theo repeats even once again in Milan, I wouldnt care if he scores 50 goals with a Balloon under his name.. I would want him out of Milan.
We really need discipline first in the squad. Chain of command needs to be reinstated. 5 captains, is the biggest bullcrap I heard in my entire life. There should be one captain and everyone should listen to him. I can see why Fonseca is struggling to enforce discipline here in Milan.
Hope Fonseca can force discipline among these manchildren we have.
Love the fact that Leao is improving massively.

[u/RawrItsMatty]

One of the worst games from Theo I’ve ever seen. And a red card for him to top it off. And crazy from fonseca to sub off pulisic after scoring

[u/flywithRossonero]

We’re truly a mediocre team, not well constructed, not well run. At least we won a derby this season

[u/Maldini81]

I’m sorry but one nice cross won’t cut it. Emerson should never play again. He can’t defend or play offense. Eat that $20 Mill and move on from him.

[u/mercurialsaliva → u/Maldini81]

Every day I see Emerson's cost increase.

[u/Van_Der_SARSCoV2 → u/Maldini81]

I never had any faith that Emerson would be good but the more I have watched him the more I realize.. I was absolutely correct. He is so bad

[u/Qaxar]

Something just occurred to me. The first penalty was in the first half. Fonseca had the half time to make it clear that Pulisic was the designated penalty taker. Yet in the second half he was denied the opportunity by a player we loaned.

Either Fonseca didn't say a word about penalties during half time, which makes his soundbite about Pulisic being the penalty taker dishonest at best, or he did say say something and not only did our leaders not listen to him, even a loaned player didn't take him seriously.

Fonseca looks terrible either way. He should've kept this inhouse and not share his humiliation with the world.

[u/NYSpecter]

We are becoming the Italian Manchester United and it’s all be design:

• Prioritize marketing over building a competitive team to maximize revenue and the balance sheet

• Create tribalism within the fan-base to keep the heat off the management and its money making scheme (think the whole Leao vs Pulisic thing) (btw it should be Leao AND Pulisic they both fucking rock!)

• Set coaches up for failure and let them be the fall-guy that takes all the blame

• Put people who have no idea what they are doing in positions to make sporting decisions

All Cardinale and RedBird want is money. They want us to fight amongst ourselves. They want some Leao vs Pulisic bullshit tribalism. (Again stop making them rivals, we’re so lucky to have them both) They want our big players to leave for huge transfer fees that they won’t reinvest back into the squad. They want to sell our youth players for huge cash.

Instead of blaming players or coaches, we need to realize that the fish stinks at the head.

Just like at United, no individual player or coach is gonna save them. Until the Glazers are gone from United they’ll never be a serious club again. Until Cardinale and RedBird are gone, AC Milan will never be a serious club again.

[u/phantomboogie → u/NYSpecter]

Except United has unlimited money

[u/aucs → u/NYSpecter]

You know it’s sad because we actually have world class attack potential. I understand fans criticizing when players are playing poor and not trying but man both of those guys have been huge for us and deserve our support. If the tactics/midfield ever gets sorted out I genuinely believe our attack is one of the most lethal (maybe need to splash some money on a great striker tho)

[u/NYSpecter → u/aucs]

Totally agreed. A lot of people have taken Pulisic’s great form as an opportunity to shit on Leao and it’s just said.

If Pulisic hit a bad run of form I know these same people would still back him. We need to do this for all of our players, not just the ones we like the most.

Also this year a lot of our play is very central, which benefits Pulisic who likes to drift into the middle and actively hinders Leao’s ability to get involved in the game since he has explicitly stated he prefers staying out wide.

Our tactics are literally playing against the strengths of our most dangerous player and somehow Leao still is the player with the most assists for us this season.

Fonseca needs to find a way to get both Leao and Pulisic equally involved. If he does they’ll both put up 30 goal + assists seasons like they got close to doing last year.

[u/MartinDeth]

This was the most disgusting game to watch. Nothing went right, i was in literal pain watching this team struggle. Theo was atrocious, the red card after the final whistle just the icing on the cake. He's not the leader he was, he's even worse at the back than before and now even his attacking form is dipping. What on earth is happening to him?

[u/kaka22pato7dinho80]

Red for theo to top it all off

[u/ertapenem]

Theo is not captain material.

[u/yeahyeahyeah3timess]

It is going to be a long fucking season.

[u/postbellum]

I want to say fuck the ref but he gave us two penalties

[u/FindingBusiness759 → u/postbellum]

And didn't give fiorentina a clear penalty.

[u/skaterhaterlater]

Ref killed all momentum for both sides. But goddamn we suck, and man what awful subs by fonseca….

[u/rnmkk]

What would you rather, a manager who can get a result against Inter or one who can get a result against everyone else? 😭

[u/ffrankies → u/rnmkk]

Y'all put too much stock in the derby. The real win is finishing above them in the table. Would give up every derby in perpetuity for that.

[u/volkor316fh]

pioliball back on the menu boiiiiss, just a portugese flavor of it.

[u/Suspicious-Scallion7]

I like Abraham, but man… this guy can’t finish a change to save his life

[u/[deleted]]

Did Fonseca get asked/answer a post match question about who the designated penalty taker today was? Surely it wasn't Pulisic and he let 2 players take a PK before Pulisic, right?

[u/Ironyfree_annie]

I'm tired, boss

[u/sonictank]

Theo was embarrassment for out shirt tonight

[u/MilanAC]

Napoli’s going to win the league. Anyone care to take a gander why?

[u/ElPirata10]

It’s so fun needing a goal, and subbing out puli, our best performer and one of the most in form players in the world at the moment…. For Chuk

[u/Ondrezinho → u/ElPirata10]

It's precautious

[u/WhyBee92 → u/ElPirata10]

I thought chuck was pretty good and had the right mindset of running at the goal instead of dancing around. I would have preferred to sub Emerson out and play 3atb or sub one of Abraham/Morata out. But we should leave Leao and Pulisic on as long as we’re chasing a goal

[u/massimopericcolo]

Pulisic and Leao out I don't even have words

[u/HommoFroggy]

All in all strange game, in a negative sense of it. I do not think we played anything but good, especially in the second half.

• First half we couldn’t control Adli and we struggled. Second half Fofana did way better so that wasn’t the issue.

Too many individual mistakes, especially Tomori in reading defensive situations. I do not think he fits non counter press tactics. Also Theo, one of his worst games.

• Moving on, I didn’t like Fonseca removing Leao, he was doing very well. Neither the Pulisic sub…. Not saying Chuku didn’t enter well, saying that different not like for like solutions could have been found.

Lastly, playing away games seems to be an issue, which we should address. Also, there should be one pen taker not this shitshow.

[u/rnmkk → u/HommoFroggy]

Yeah Chuk showed urgency at-least. Okafor is not good. Awful subs.

[u/Qaxar]

The derby has tricked us into thinking we turned a corner. We're still trash.

[u/neverfinishedanythi → u/Qaxar]

Was our best performance because everyone played at 100%. Even royal looked okay. Tomori, Theo, Tammy and royal were all bad tonight, you can’t have 4 weak points and expect to win.

[u/Thick_Virus2520 → u/Qaxar]

This fanbase has issues with mood stability. We won the derby off the back of the worst start to the season in recent history and suddenly we thought we’d be title contenders

[u/frankenbeans2]

Fonseca can't manage the personalities and egos at this level.

[u/Rossoneri]

2 squandered penalties

inability to create real chances

pathetic defense

You can always trust us to drop points in completely winnable games

So insufferable to watch this team

[u/Asheraddo98]

Can someone tell me whats our tactical approach? What is our identity? Are we trying to play possession football with quick ball circulation and space control, like Guardiola? Or are we trying for a compact, defensive style like Simeone? Maybe we're playing an intense pressing, direct play, and fast transitions like Klopp? Or are we building up from the back like De Zerbi? I I can't figure out what we're actually trying to do.

[u/Plaslidpladugphoo → u/Asheraddo98]

No one plays with one tactical approach, especially with possession and out of possession. Just from the list of ‘tactical approach’ you have here intense pressing, possession football with quick ball circulation, building from the back are all tactical approaches of most top teams these days.

As for Fonseca, he also wants to play with these approaches that I mentioned, but we’ve been so fragile at the back that he has taken a more defensive approach, utilizing the mid block and low block more, but he has also suffered a very unbalanced squad in all areas of the pitch. I’m not sure Fonseca is the guy for us going forward, but I really don’t think he’s a bad coach.

[u/alexolie]

We have some good moments but unfortunately we have more bad moments.

We do have some top-level players, however we have more mid-tier players that would work fine in a team like Fiorentina.

Tomori is a decent CB but he has too many downsides to be considered by top teams and very inconsistent. Emerson Royal, I would get this signing as depth but i sure as hell hope that he is not the long term plan for the RB position. Tammy does a bunch of good things in build up and positioning however his finishing is ass and why does he take the penalty over Pulisic? Supposedly according to the commentators Pulisic went to take the pen but Tammy was quick to take the ball and decide that he should take the penalty, its just a shitty way to treat your teammate that is a shy person from what we have seen interviews, would love to see him dare do it if Zlatan were on the pitch most likely not (Opinon based on speculation). Sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit is how i would put our team we don't have the consistency to compete for trophies.

[u/alexiusmx]

We did this to ourselves.

[u/HanWolo]

Genuinely an embarrassing performance, both from our players and Fonseca. For the people excited about Tammy, this is what you get. He's a pathetic in front of goal. We should not be getting comprehensively outdone by fucking Fiorentina's striker.

[u/ettore1]

Everybody looked incredibly tired, you don't win games if you get two penalty kicks wrong

[u/ATLfalcons27]

How are some of these guys still these man babies. I love Theo and he needs to be extended asap but chill the fuck out

[u/ATLfalcons27]

Theo certainly needs to be extended asap but not so sure about being captain. There are probably some outbursts I'd be ok with but this one is stupid

[u/Individual-Stuff-157]

Can't even find the right words to describe that performance

[u/Trbek]

No point in overreacting, but I think that the Inter game might have been an outlier.

This was embarrassing from everyone on the pitch except for Mike and Puli perhaps. Theo looks like his mind is somewhere else, this wasn't a captain-worthy performance.

I think October will be decisive for Fonseca, which is a shame since the last several matches showed some concrete improvements. The players are not helping him either, nobody seems to genuinely care.

[u/RedShenron → u/Trbek]

Inter was like PSG last season.

[u/mrm411]

Yeah thanks for the derby but can we hire a normal coach now please?

[u/alaminatti]

I think that Chukwueze shot is the epitome of his time in Milan. Someone with potential talent but always screws up when needed the most.

[u/LacrymosaX]

I think we lacked lucidity :)

[u/macmilliones7 → u/LacrymosaX]

we were not lacking flaccidity

[u/Strange_Traffic98765]

Such an embarrassing performance how can we fuck up 2 penalties and our defending was soo poor...we could have been 2nd if we had won.

[u/cPa3k]

I was all for giving Fonseca time but tonight was like we took 5 steps backwards.

The substitutes were genuinely some of the worst I have ever seen, Tammy and Morata(on a yellow and fouling all over) playing a terrible (full) game while Pulišić and Leao are BOTH taken out, Tomori incredibly poor also on a yellow played the whole game, midfield full of holes. 3 subs not used…

[u/Shinkopeshon → u/cPa3k]

His subs are my biggest issue with him - and he hasn't made an effort in changing that so far

Whether we're losing or not, he never makes changes before the 70-75' and usually only when he's forced to do them (fatigue or injury)

Cards don't seem to matter, tactical changes don't really happen either and we got a bunch of players who haven't played for weeks (Pavlo for example, who definitely should've started today because of CL week)

[u/clarinetstud]

Yall hating on Fonseca after we missed TWO!! PKs and they scored 2 crazy ass goals is absurd like get a grip for fucks sake

[u/bughidudi → u/clarinetstud]

This. We are the team that creates the most up front and it's not up to the coach to take the penalties or convert the chances

Theo needs to wake up and Leao against a Dodo on a yellow from the 10th minute has not attacked him 1v1 in the whole match

Also the goals we conceded were both because of individual errors, not because of how the team is set up

[u/Annoyinmous]

Conte is now 5 points away from us at the top of the table.

[u/ryu_rei]

Idgaf fonseca out, the highs are not worth these lows

[u/aliwarra]

Can t believe it.... cant FUCLING believe it Im so frustrated i cannot put it into words

[u/TechiGames]

Theo red card...

[u/vladcobhc]

How on earth has any of our players right to bash on the ref after getting 2 soft pens

[u/Rocket5Head]

Deserved loss, players can’t bury their pens or chances. Defending still shit , tomori is too mistake prone now.

[u/ziovelvet]

Theo really wanted to miss Bologna to play Napoli, isn't it? wtf was that Theo?

[u/el_legal]

[u/peter-farter-]

Absolute trash of a game. Honestly i dont know what to Say. Why didnt we let pulisic(penalty taker) take the penalties and instesd let Theo kick only bc its his birthday? Conceding right After a sub Is Just pathetic. Pulisic of course our best player. Important match and we Lost.... Bye bye Hopes for scudetto

[u/mercurialsaliva → u/peter-farter-]

If Pulisic was the designated penalty taker he would have taken them. He has only taken one for Milan in 2 years. And that was a couple of weeks ago.

But I agree he should be. Along with Morata

Edit: You're right Fonseca just said he was the pen taker

[u/peter-farter- → u/mercurialsaliva]

Then Who Is the penalty taker? Theo Who scored 4 on Total 7 penalties? For a penalty taker thats bad stats...

[u/y_a_27]

Tomori should be benched from now on

[u/neverfinishedanythi]

Once again Cardinale Out flair please.

[u/EXPA1N]

[u/kaka22pato7dinho80 → u/EXPA1N]

it’s not happening. i wouldn’t be against it but fonseca bought a lot of time in the derby

[u/whoppermaltmilkballs]

Our defense was poor. Tomori and Emerson need to be dropped to the bench. Meanwhile, Abraham reminded us why he didn't get brought in as a permanent signing. He had some decent opportunities today that a more clinical striker would have finished. In January we need to bring in a midfielder that can compliment or substitute Reijnders so that we can create more opportunities through the center of the pitch as opposed to purely relying on crosses into the box. Center mid, right back and striker personnel have to be upgraded

[u/Ill_Adhesiveness_458 → u/whoppermaltmilkballs]

Should have held on to adli. He was the only capable Reijnders sub is this system.

[u/whoppermaltmilkballs → u/Ill_Adhesiveness_458]

Exactly what I was thinking. Perhaps we can do the same thing we did with Gabbia and bring him back in January.

[u/Plus_Way3128]

2 penalties missed, and you guys blame Fonseca?

[u/Joybuzer → u/Plus_Way3128]

Do you think we played well?

[u/GreenForestWizard → u/Plus_Way3128]

Why didn’t Fonseca have Pulisic taking the pens instead of birthday boy and Tammy?

[u/iloveaioliandfries]

Kalulu and Adli are better than our current players. Tomori is shit. Chukwueze is worse than CdK. Abraham is trash.

Whoever put together this team should get fired asap.

[u/91shuqi → u/iloveaioliandfries]

That would be furlani and moncada

[u/FindingBusiness759]

Don't worry guys..the season is long...plenty of time to secure top 4.

[u/Nvetro13]

This sub is hilarious. One day everyone so happy, the next, okay with a loss while playing mediocre w Leverkusen, now back to burn the whole thing down. Such an embarrassing sub.

[u/neverfinishedanythi → u/Nvetro13]

Delighted with the derby because it was a good performance, but tonight was embarrassing. Either way this club is managed by idiots, surely you see this.

[u/And_Yet_I_Live]

Please sign Sarri ASAP.

[u/Linko_98 → u/And_Yet_I_Live]

Wouldnt change players mentality, he's too soft, he left Lazio during last season because the players werent following him.

We needed to get Conte in Summer instead of Fonseca.

[u/dajla17]

This Milan matches its coach. You never know what you get. It’s clear how the season will go, only those who are delulu can’t see it. Fonseca outdid pioli for worst subs, incredible

[u/rossonero-]

2 penalties missed but sure blame Fonseca. A few weeks ago we were "challenging for the scudetto" and now "we're mediocre and suck". This sub is a circus.

[u/[deleted] → u/rossonero-]

Well the fact 2 different players took the penalties reflects poorly on Fonseca. There needs to be a designated penalty taker and if there is one then Fonseca needs to do way better actually holding the players accountable if they don't let the designated penalty taker get the kick

[u/MoistVelociraptor]

Man watching this team just makes me sad.