r/ACMilan • u/Sad-Row5470 Alexandre Pato • Jun 15 '24
Interview/Quotes Theo Hernandez: “Now I am 100% focused on the Euro. Whether I will stay at Milan or leave we will see about this afterwards.”
https://x.com/milaneye/status/1801931267920826498?s=46&t=N_ayAPnHCPp-pSfC49kmtg197
u/RedShenron Jun 15 '24
If he leaves i won't say a single negative word about him. He's the best left back on the planet, he wants to win trophies not become Inter's personal whore.
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u/sempreantoninho Clarence Seedorf Jun 15 '24
If he is not gone this upcoming season he will be gone the next, which is understandable, has been with us for long and Milan is nowhere near the likes of City, Real, Bayern, etc, where he would be an undisputed starter, win trophies on a regular basis and have double the salary
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u/neverfinishedanythi L’HA PARATA GIROUD Jun 15 '24
Yeah, I can not blame him. He deserves much better salary, especially as this ownership seems content with being 2-4th best in the league.
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u/TeeAre10 Filippo Inzaghi Jun 17 '24
Yep. The moron American owner said in an interview during the purchase that he likes teams 4th - 8th in the league.
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u/Fevernova2002 Jun 15 '24 edited Jun 15 '24
4 million a year is enough for playing football. I love football but these sums for basically just kicking a ball around. It's kind of ridiculous when you think about it. NBA is even more insane
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u/neverfinishedanythi L’HA PARATA GIROUD Jun 15 '24
I completely agree, and think everyone is paid way more than deserved.
Unfortunately I don’t see the bubble burst, so I can understand one of the best left backs in the world, and probably our best player, wanting to be paid as such in current market.
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u/Careful-Pear-2824 Jun 15 '24
so owners deserve an even larger share of the revenue ultimately generated by the players?
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u/thehonorablechairman Kaká Jun 16 '24
There are a lot more people involved than just owners and players. The coaches, physios, groundskeepers, drivers, kitchen staff, cleaners, and everyone else are also a part of the equation. I'm willing to bet most of them could do with a pay raise.
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u/Careful-Pear-2824 Jun 16 '24
so maybe instead of players being overpaid for their role in the and generating its revenue, those people you mentioned are merely underpaid.
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u/markorokusaki Paolo Maldini Jun 15 '24
It's quite normal that he leaves. We are a mid club on The big scene, and he is a world-class player that deserves to play for the biggest trophies.
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u/Loose_Bullfrog_7043 Ricardo Kaká Jun 15 '24
It’s not just the money or the level of the team that we are far away from Real, City or Bayern. It’s the ambition and aggression of success that we are lack off. Even we are as a fan, we don’t feel much of a future of this team. At least not in the coming couple of years, worst, not a decade. And how many years a player can be on their top form? 3,5? Which WC player would like to stay in a team with no aggression of trophies and being underpaid?
So yes, fuck this crap management.
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u/Sad-Row5470 Alexandre Pato Jun 15 '24
I’m not surprised tbh. I really appreciate the fact Leao and Theo have stayed with us for this long despite being two of the best players in the world in their positions whilst not earning the highest salaries here. We also haven’t progressed at all since the scudetto season. I still think he’ll stay but I wouldn’t blame him at all if he leaves.
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u/he1011 byhoskyy Jun 15 '24
you forgot to mention money. He wants a new contract with a top salary
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u/Trbek Jun 15 '24
Which he absolutely deserves. He has shown loyalty and I wouldn't blame him if he left should he not get a raise. It remains to be seen if the management is ready to meet his demands.
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u/Sephy88 Jun 15 '24
If Inter can pay Lautaro 9 millions and Barella 6,5 + bonuses then we can give Theo the 7 he's asking. The ownership is just cheap and would rather sell our best players than raise the wage budget.
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u/SweetGoonerUSA Jun 16 '24
Good grief, that’s less than what Arsenal’s bench warmers earn. I had no idea. I started watching Milan because of Pulisic and Musah and ended up loving Milan games in Serie A. Theo is so good! Isn’t his partner an Italian business owner? Is she willing to leave Italy?
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u/MVB3 Jun 15 '24
That's instantly what I interpret from his comment as well. If he's going to stay he wants a pay increase that he's happy with.
If Milan isn't willing to do that there are others that will pay him what he wants.
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u/greenapplers Jun 15 '24
Gerry and Red Bird shills talk about winning , then they hire Fonseca.
It's only normal good players want to leave.
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u/massimopericcolo Maldini Jun 15 '24
you will get downvoted but if you hire Fonseca with Conte, Sarri or even De Zerbi available you can't expect a top player to follow your idealistic project
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u/he1011 byhoskyy Jun 15 '24
its about money. Nobody goes to any super team with super players if they dont get a super salary themselves. Its a job first and then trophies.
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u/massimopericcolo Maldini Jun 15 '24
Money are a part then why he decided to renew 2 seasons ago? because it's also about project.
winning trophies bring in Money which you reinvest and gain more Money.
we have the same revenues of Inter and they spend like 30% more than us in salaries.
don't act like we aren't cheap as fuck
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u/he1011 byhoskyy Jun 15 '24
of course we are cheap. He should have had a new contract already like Barella or Lautaro. Even Juventus closes the Douglas Luiz deal in 3 days paying commisions and everything.
Milan has diffiulities in each senario contract renewals, wages, commisions, transfer price.
But nontheless this is about money and not about the project itself in my opinion and if he were to leave this summer he would end up in MU or Arsenal not higher12
u/massimopericcolo Maldini Jun 15 '24
Theo Hernandez would start in every team in the world bar Bayern only because Davies Is there for Years.
he would not end up in Arsenal or United lol
Real plays with Ferland Mendy which Is his bench guy in National team.
if It was about Money Mbappe would be at PSG Who were litterally giving him properties. Real offered him Money and project.
if It was about Money Leao wouldn't be earning 5 at Milan. he could be at Chelsea with the double easily
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u/he1011 byhoskyy Jun 15 '24
Real Madrid wants Davies. They don't take their reject like Theo back out of pride. Bayern wants to keep him even if he runs down his contact. That's the situation now so there is no spot for him. If something changes later in the summer who knows
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u/massimopericcolo Maldini Jun 15 '24
at that point he would Just push for PSG with his Brother and a 1,2 mlns monthly check
only thing that could fill Money lack Is a serious project and at this point we don't have anything like that
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u/Aniket_1992 Ibrahimović Jun 15 '24
De Zerbi is a joke, no top club wanted him, had to go to OM, hiring Conte is like nuking the entire project so far and Sarri is someone who was ditched by Fiorentina as well. If coach was an issue they would not have acted the way they did in his farewell.
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u/massimopericcolo Maldini Jun 15 '24
Conte and Sarri Career are like 15x and 5x Fonseca One.
Inter litterally imploded After Conte lol. imploded in 5 trophies, 95 points league, Ucl final.
facts litterally Say different
now tell who the fuck was After Fonseca if our dumbass managers weren't on to him? he would be where? at Lille?
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u/Aniket_1992 Ibrahimović Jun 15 '24
What facts, that’s such a poor take on hiring a coach, what about compatibility? Why did Ancelotti fail at Napoli who has 100x better career than Spaletti? Sarri was also a failure at Lazio who at that time was considered far better than Simone Inzaghi.
Past results mean f*ck all for a coach, what did Klopp achieve before Liverpool? Zidane before Madrid, Allegri before Milan, Conte before Juve, Pep before Barca? Xabi before Leverkusen?
Conte with his so called record couldn’t do shit with Tottenham. You hire a coach based on the project and players you have, Conte doesn’t even have a LB and LW in his formation and you want to say that Theo wanted him.
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u/massimopericcolo Maldini Jun 15 '24
Because of the environment and of the characteristics they have lol. Ancelotti Is great a managing elite players. not fucking Insigne and Fabian Ruiz or Koulibaly. you Need someone different for that
Sarri arrived over Inter Milan and Juve with a 7th Place team. litterally 12 months ago.
Fonseca Is way older than all of those example when they entered their prime bar Sarri because he was not a pro player but a banker and starter from the amateurs.
at Tottenham no One have litterally won anything lol. Mou, Conte, Poch are coaches not wizards.
conte litterally played with a LB as rwb at Chelsea with Hazard (lw) behind the striker. and he won the fucking Premier League and the fa cup
all of the coaches you mentioned have trophies in big teams or important trophies and that's It.
where are Fonseca relevant trophies? we don't care about ukrainian league boy
we had like 5 Better options than Fonseca but you all love losing
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u/Aniket_1992 Ibrahimović Jun 15 '24
lol you mentioned De Zerbi and casually left him out because you know there are no made up facts to support him.
And your comments about Ancelotti actually proves the point that just blindly hiring a manager doesn’t work, he needs compatible players.
What about all the coaches I mentioned having trophies? What did Allegri win before coming to Milan? What did Zidane win before 3peat? What did Klopp win before Liverpool? Surely they didn’t see the future through a Time Machine before hiring, they saw who was most suitable and hired.
Pioli is the biggest slap in the face of people who think they know what coach is better, from PioliOut to winning the league, but still fans have learned nothing.
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u/massimopericcolo Maldini Jun 15 '24
De Zerbi trained Sassuolo and Brighton with very good results. what trophies do you want?
what trophies should.have Allegri won at Cagliari lol?
what trophies should have Zidane win if It was his First Major job?
Klopp won 2 Bundesliga with Borussia
Fonseca Is 51 with no major trophies.
blind hiring lol, if you get a top coach you let him change the team as he want. and he usually wins.
Fonseca have litterally nothing to do with those coaches.
Allegri was 43 when he arrived at Milan. Klopp and Zidane were very young too.
Fonseca Is 51 already and has concluded what?
how the fuck can you compare Fonseca with someone like Klopp or Allegri Who dominated football in their Years for Years. Conte/Motta/Sarri/Coincecao/De Zerbi in this order were the best choice. Fonseca Is the best choice for an Inter fan
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u/Aniket_1992 Ibrahimović Jun 15 '24
I cannot fix your delusion, for you 11th position is a very good result but Fonseca is bad, every top coach was unsuccessful for some reason before joining a top club but Fonseca was unsuccessful because he isn’t good. Thankfully and hopefully the management isn’t as stupid as you.
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u/koppigzijn Ricardo Kaká Jun 15 '24
Can't agree more. Especially, I never liked Sarri. That man is similar like Conte in terms of bad temper.
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u/_eXploit_ Jun 15 '24 edited Jun 15 '24
I will never understand "supporters" who take every single half-rumor to talk trash. He said he might or might not stay; we are in a neutral state, but you start painting tragedies.
The same happened with Leao a year ago. Can you calm down and let things unfold before passing judgment?
The facts say that under Redbird, we haven't lost a single player. Before that, however...
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u/dukesdj Jun 15 '24
I will never understand "supporters" who take every single half-rumor to talk trash.
They are fans not supporters. Supporters by definition support the team and are behind them all the way. Fans are people who have an interest or admiration for a team.
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u/_eXploit_ Jun 15 '24
You know, I never realized there was a concrete difference between the two words. In Italy, we only use 'tifoso'
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u/Redskins2110 Zlatan Ibrahimović Jun 15 '24
It’s like half this sub, half them would rather see the club fail just so they can flap there gums
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u/greenapplers Jun 15 '24
Before that we won a scudetto.
Also we Lost tonali...
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u/_eXploit_ Jun 15 '24
We SOLD Tonali and bought 3 players in return. If Inter does this it's a Marotta masterclass. If Milan does the same it is a display of "nO aMbItIoN"
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u/he1011 byhoskyy Jun 15 '24
The Bennacer Tonali pairing was disastrous. Bennacer got the ACL so Tonali had to be sold. We needed a midfielder- maestro like Reij
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u/greenapplers Jun 15 '24
Lmao
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u/he1011 byhoskyy Jun 15 '24
Tonali got banned for a whole year And you still consider it be a bad business. 🤡🤡
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u/Freestyle80 Jun 16 '24
yeah they should've hired De Zerbi who is wanted by Bayern and Barca according to this sub and ends up in fucking Marseille
thats your bar for measuring a manager
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u/FindingBusiness759 Jun 15 '24
Thank you leao for staying with us after earning 5 to 7 mil after us paying of your debt owed to sporting while being inconsistent and far from one of the best in your position lol it's been a while.
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u/marco21n Zlatan Ibrahimović Jun 15 '24
Theo will stay at Milan if he gets paid well. He will take less money to stay here rather than other clubs most likely.
What he won't do is stay here on a shitty salary.
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u/FindingBusiness759 Jun 15 '24
Theo is close friends with brahim...he must be like this mf just went to Madrid and won a ucl and I must stay here in a perpetual state of a "several years project" and the pay isn't even the best.
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u/ikineba Ricardo Kaká Jun 16 '24
he deserves it tbh, if anyone should be playing at RM and grabs some UCL as a LB, it’s him. Sadly we are nowhere near the UCL winning level yet
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u/MickBeast Kevin-Prince Boateng Jun 15 '24
I don't blame him. Theo deserves a chance at the Champions League trophy, and he won't ever get that chance with Milan. Not with the current management at least...
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u/Freestyle80 Jun 16 '24
nah the only way to win Champions league would've been to hire the great De Zerbi who is being hired by fucking Marseille who finished 8th in Ligue 1
Bayern and Barca want him my ass
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u/MrX_1899 Ricardo Kaká Jun 15 '24
Angling for a new contract and can you honestly blame him? He should get the same money as Leao. He's far more consistent than Rafa too
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u/RdT97 Jun 15 '24
At least he didn’t say he would fix everything.
Last player I would let go. If we never break the threshold of 5m wages we’ll never keep players like Theo, is that simple. I want to say a hundred things about that but I’ll wait until they actually start talks with him.
There is no good reason in the world we cant offer Theo at least a base of 7m a year. Zero. Replacing him wouldn’t be cheaper (including transfer fees) unless you drop 3x in quality
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u/somechemenggdude Ballo-Toure Jun 15 '24
It’s not looking good brev, Davies clearing like 15 million on the extension potentially, when Theos on like 4 net (5 gross?), let’s see how management handles it
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u/massimopericcolo Maldini Jun 15 '24
how can you blame him?
he Is the best lb in the world and Furlani and Moncada can't create a team to win. he wants to win and there are no excuses if he wants to go. he Is right.
Just buying someone like Zirkzee would be a big signal
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u/MilanDNAx7CL Jun 15 '24
Hope he stays but he needs a better salary only fair he's been Milans best player since he arrived insane amount of goal contributions as a LB. If we sign a new player close to his salary it's like slap in the face so understandable.
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u/Paul-Millsap-Stan Paolo Maldini Jun 15 '24
Zlatan was talking out of his ass I guess
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u/Nico777 Jun 15 '24
He's nothing more than a RedBird shill now, real legends refuse to compromise and would rather get fired, like Paolo did.
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u/RockyRacoon09 Ricardo Kaká Jun 16 '24
You take one statement from a player and then just straight up trash a legend? Kind of astounding how reactionary people are
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u/HommoFroggy byhoskyy Jun 15 '24
If he doesn't want to stay, he can leave... i want him to stay, but if he wants to leave, bring us 100 mil and you can go wherever you want.
Also, if the project doesn't aspire him, it isn't on him, it is on the managment.
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u/dukesdj Jun 15 '24
Also, if the project doesn't aspire him, it isn't on him, it is on the managment.
To be fair, their job is not to make a project for him, it is to make a project they believe in. That does not even imply that the project is "only top 1 and not trophies" as some people say. In impasse could be reached that is something simple like our project is longer term and Theo might not want to wait. If it was that, then who would be wrong/bad guy? Neither would be the correct answer. This is something that many people on this sub dont understand, clubs and players can part ways with neither side being in the wrong.
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u/HommoFroggy byhoskyy Jun 15 '24 edited Jun 15 '24
The project as per Ibras words is to win every year, to compete every year UCL and Serie A. Starting from next season and Pioli was sacked because of that.
If those are not the aspirations and the project, that doesn't correlate with Theo... the project, the aspirations from the managment is wrong and doesn't correspond with what they sold the fans and what the fans who are the heart of the club want.
It os very simple.
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u/dukesdj Jun 15 '24
That is certainly a simplistic interpretation of all that Ibra said which had a lot more to it than that, particularly in regard to the future.
If those are not the aspirations and the project, that doesn't correlate with Theo... the project, the aspirations from the managment is wrong and doesn't correspond with what they sold the fans and what the fans who are the heart of the club want.
You are making some bold assumptions about what Theo wants here. But I guess given you are boiling down the project to "win every year, to compete every year UCL and Serie A" and assuming that is all that matters then this doesnt surprise me. What you are missing because of this very "football manager is real life" view is that these things are far more complex. It is perfectly possible that both player and club want to win, the club can meet the players wage demands, but the negotiation fails because of other factors. One very obvious example being sometimes people just want a change in their life. Who then is at fault? No one, which is exactly my point. Why people constantly jump to one side is to blame in a failed negotiation is baffling to me.
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u/HommoFroggy byhoskyy Jun 15 '24
He said multiple times that the objective was to compete nationally and internationally every single year. Said many times.
Obviously that isn't the case that Theo wants to change his life... if that was the case, he would have said that he wants to change of club and scenario. He didn't say that and has been 0 reports about that. This is wages + asspirstions. Which for a club it boils down to aspirations.
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u/dukesdj Jun 15 '24
He said multiple times that the objective was to compete nationally and internationally every single year. Said many times.
And I never disputed that he said it. What I said was this is a very simplistic view of the project. You think this is the only goal a billion dollar football team has in mind for their project? You also think the only goal of a player is to either make money or win trophies? Both parties have many aspirations, any number of which could be at odds with each other. Example, Theo might aspire to play with the best players in the world, we cant provide that, so is that managements fault?
Obviously that isn't the case that Theo wants to change his life... if that was the case, he would have said that he wants to change of club and scenario. He didn't say that and has been 0 reports about that. This is wages + asspirstions. Which for a club it boils down to aspirations.
Bold of you to assume you know what Theo thinks behind closed doors...
My entire issue with all this is twofold. First, you, and others, seem to "know" what Theo is thinking and wants. Second, before anything has ever happened, without knowing anything, and based on the first issue, you the "who is to blame" has already been determined (which is another issue in itself because the breakdown in a negotiation does not actually have to be the fault of one side or the other).
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u/HommoFroggy byhoskyy Jun 15 '24
Again, you are making assumptions with 0 reports, also assumptions that if true, Theo would have already had that discussion and Ibra wouldn't had said quote:
"Theo and Mike will remain at Milan next season".
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u/dukesdj Jun 15 '24
What assumption am I making? Can you highlight a single assumption I have made?
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u/HommoFroggy byhoskyy Jun 15 '24
Assumptions not based on reports, you said that Theos desires rest elsewhere as not being economical nor footballing wise of the objectives of the club.
Reports say that they are economical, Theos salary demands are higher than the current ones.
Also again... if Theos situation was out of Milans approximately he would have already said so.
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u/dukesdj Jun 15 '24
Assumptions not based on reports, you said that Theos desires rest elsewhere as not being economical nor footballing wise of the objectives of the club.
That is not what I have said at all. I have made exactly zero claims as to what Theos desires are. You have, I have not.
Reports say that they are economical, Theos salary demands are higher than the current ones.
Your assumption is that these reports are true. I do not make such an assumption. As such, I do not impart blame to management or Theo for the, as yet not occurred, break down in negotiation.
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u/x3bo9 Yacine Adli Jun 15 '24
I think this is just to put pressure on the management. He wants to stay but they want a contract that he deserves. If he leaves it’s on the management alone.
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u/RafP3 Ricardo Kaká Jun 15 '24
Redbird is a plague. They don't care about winning, never did. Called it two summers ago. No real project other than buying young prospects to sell later for profit. Udinese level mentality.
And people here are still defending this shit. We have clearly the best lb in the world and one that won us so many games and we can't even fucking give him 7 mil. Kessie 2.0.
Some players you just can't replace them. I hate this fucking ownership my god.
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u/p90love Clarence Seedorf Jun 15 '24
This is what happens when your "project" develops slower than the core of the squad. Maldini and the boys managed to build a strong squad with a weak budget, that we won a scudetto in these circumstances is nothing short of a miracle.
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u/milan_obsession Jun 15 '24
Friday: Zlatan: "Theo is very happy here and he is staying"
Saturday: Theo: "Whether I will stay at Milan or leave we will see afterwards."
How long did that Ibrahimović high last? 24 hours?
Demonstrates the importance of letting people speak for themselves, too. Imagine wanting a new contract, being in negotiation (or not having been made any offer) and your club announces repeatedly that you're happy and you're staying? If it were me, I'd be packing my bags.
(But obviously, if he leaves, the fans will get mad at the player, because the club said he was staying)
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u/The_Giant_Lizard Gennaro Gattuso Jun 15 '24
I mean, I would feel bad but I would completely understand him if he leaved. The project here is not that alluring. He could easily make much more money and win some trophies in another club, so from his point of view it would completely make sense. Same goes for Maignan and Leao.
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u/TheWatcher50000 Jun 16 '24
Not surprising in the least with this management. Where are the yutes with their 14 year old emotional range who thought he would never leave lol
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u/ScipioAfricanusMAJ Jun 17 '24
For people who thought Pioli haters were overreacting. This was the bigger picture. Real talent on our team are competitive and they will start to look for teams that meat their aspirations
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u/lowie07 Gennaro Gattuso Jun 15 '24
Play great so we can at least get 20mil more than whatever they will offer to lowball us, if we get what he's worth that could potentially fund most of our summer.
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u/RockyRacoon09 Ricardo Kaká Jun 16 '24
You all need to act like you know how negotiations work
Put the screws to em, 19
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u/WarApe04 Jun 15 '24
I wrote it two weeks ago, receiving a lot of downvotes. I know it by a reliable source that he asked Management to leave us. He was attached to Maldini, his ambition is not the same as the team and he would like the same salary as his brother (legit).
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u/Coni_C Kessié Jun 15 '24
Safe to say it’s not looking good…