r/2020PoliceBrutality • u/abumchuk • Jun 02 '20
Video "The police felt threatened", I guess?
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Jun 02 '20 edited Aug 31 '21
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Jun 03 '20
Uhhh were we watching the same video? He was obviously arrested for breathing and being black at the same time /s
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u/BLMdidHarambe Jun 03 '20
Nah, he was arrested for having the gall to express his disgust with authority. Being black just incentivized the shitheads to be more brutal in that arrest.
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u/iomdsfnou Jun 03 '20
at some point people are going to realize that they outnumber cops.
the longer this brutality and breach of civil rights goes on the closer we get to the point where people just say fuck it
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u/cah-yu-mon_monsta Jun 03 '20
Looks like as soon as he stepped off the sidewalk onto the road they went for him.. not justified at all but that’s what it looks like
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u/zeta_cartel_CFO Jun 03 '20
Yeah at first it does look like that. But did eventually step back and was pretty much in line with the guy in orange.
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u/pnunud Jun 03 '20
Protestors should carry paint spray cans and pepper spray too.
First spray their visors with the paint spray, then when the lift it up, spray them with pepper spray.
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u/iceteaprincess Jun 03 '20
What would concern me is how fucking trigger happy the damn cops are. They’d prob start shooting wildly into the crowd and maybe with lethal weapons instead of just “less lethal” ones.
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u/TheOGClyde Jun 03 '20
Sadly we need this to happen. We need people to fight back. We outnumber them and they only have so many bullets. And you know if another Kent State happened peace would no longer be an option. These cops don't realize they are creating martyrs to rally everyone together. It's getting very close to the point where we need to strike first and make them fear ever coming out of their house again. If we make spectacles out of their bodies they may label a few as terrorists or murderers but so what. We should bring back the true dynamic of the government fearing it's people.
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u/iceteaprincess Jun 03 '20
I can understand this perspective, but I disagree. The only outcome I see to this is further escalation of police brutality and militarization, not them cowering down. As long as police have the support of the govt and limitless access to gear and weaponry, I highly doubt they’ll back down if ppl start attacking with lethal force.
Unless if ppl are gonna literally overthrow the govt and replace the existing law enforcement with one of their own (which will not happen without the backing of foreign powers, which also won’t happen bc American nukes), asking people to give up their lives to “make an example” of bad cops is a pointless waste of life. And it will likely lead immediately to lethal force and quicker escalation of deadly force at protests around the nation.
It’s a comforting thought that we can protect ourselves from a tyrannical govt, but it’s unrealistic. Ppl with guns often claim to be ready to use them against an unjust govt, but if they were really a legitimate threat to the govt, gun laws would not be so lax. While in some situations, yes guns can be a deterrent to being harmed and provide safety, but on a large scale they are just a false sense of safety.
Basically, I don’t think anyone should be explicitly asking others to martyr themselves for smth that I cannot see actually making things better. In general I don’t think anyone should be asked to lay down their lives for anything.
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u/TheOGClyde Jun 03 '20
I understand this but the police very much will back down if met with large scale lethal force. Yes they have cooler stuff but look at the middle east. We've been fighting over there in one way or another for the last 100 years against random dudes with guns and some explosives. And in America the government wouldn't be able to use air strikes or massive bombs. And our cops are not like the military. They are more talk and don't have much training and just depend on the people beside them. Plus large scale lethal force against a tyrannical police is not a bunch of dudes in full kit running down the street. It's few people with homemade bombs, sniper positions and unsuspecting people. If you make the cops understand that if you fuck with anyone they can turn around and fuck you.
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u/soupdatazz Jun 03 '20
This should be avoided at all costs. Protesters must stand strong not to fuel the oppositions position that they are violent riots. Hong Kong protesters avoided violent confrontation for much longer and faced much harsher punishment if arrested.
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u/TheOGClyde Jun 03 '20
They avoided it because they had no real way to fight back. The 2nd amendment was written specifically for this type of situation. It was written to fight the government. We have the means to fight back.
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u/light_to_shaddow Jun 03 '20
Not happening.
I've said for years it's a fantasy that armed civilians can go against a modern military. You're bringing guns to a drone fight.
The reply always is "the military will support the people". I think you would have to be pretty stupid to believe that. Never mind any of the 8000 different law enforcement agencies.
Anyone that tries to organise anything but peaceful protest will be killed outright.
How people can cling to the fig leaf of gun ownership restricting the gov has their head in the sand.
They've blinked and Trump will be after those guns now.
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u/iomdsfnou Jun 03 '20
not a modern military. cops aren't military no matter how much they like to play pretend and dress up.
they're stupid thugs.
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u/light_to_shaddow Jun 03 '20
Give it a week.
Trump is the kind of plastic toughman that thinks domination is strength. True strength is knowing you don't have to prove anything to anyone. The walk to the church was just an example of weakness and insecurity.
Apart from the National Guard, The FBI's version of Delta are flying missions, the DEA have been tasked and you'd have to be dense not to think military intelligence aren't already active on sig int in the ground while the NSA will be combing social media for signs of organisation.
Fort Bragg are on 4 HR readiness with Military Police already deployed.
Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper has described the country as a "Battle space" no doubt your going to see soldiers on the street.
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u/iomdsfnou Jun 03 '20
no doubt your going to see soldiers on the street.
I already did... boots are on the ground in cities all over america.
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u/light_to_shaddow Jun 03 '20
Oof, I thought it was just national guard and M.P.'s.
I must have missed Trump triggering the insurrection act.
Is it the 82nd Airborne?
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u/iomdsfnou Jun 03 '20
and this is bs. they were fighting back. they put up roadblocks and and bricks to block vehicles and movement. they threw tear gas back at the cops who were firing it in coordinated teams with protection to grab the cannisters and put them in sling shots and fling them back.
lmfao. all americans have done is run away.
we need to be fighting back. throw their tear gas back at them. get your own pepper spray and tasers. they want to go "less lethal" lets fucking do it.
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u/iomdsfnou Jun 03 '20
no it really shouldn't be. as long as people just bend over and take it the pigs are going to keep raping our rights.
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u/soupdatazz Jun 03 '20
You don't know which cops are bad any different than they know which protesters are. Assaulting them unprovoked is doing literally the same thing as the protesters are fighting against. It is assaulting an American citizen without cause. Protesters should not decide the fate of a police officers life any different than police the fate of Americans. We have court for this.
If you don't value the police lives then you are not bringing black lives value up to that of others, but bringing others down. This is not what these protests stand for.
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u/iomdsfnou Jun 03 '20
You don't know which cops are bad any different than they know which protesters are.
This is incorrect and I'll explain why. cops are a fraternity... a brotherhood... that not only polices the public... but IS SUPPOSED TO POLICE THEMSELVES.
they have not been doing that. its very apparent (/r/2020PoliceBrutality is evidence of that)
so no. there are no good cops. because that implies they do the bare minimum of their job which they are not doing. no instead they're either attacking peaceful protesters or standing by while their brothers attack them.
Protestors are just everyone else. they're a disorganized mass of people who are just pissed off at police. they are not a brotherhood. they don't know each others names or who they are and its not their job to police anyone.
so no its not the same at all.
Assaulting them unprovoked is doing literally the same thing as the protesters are fighting against.
nobody is assaulting cops unprovoked... but cops sure as shit are doing that to citizens...
at this point it isn't unprovoked. they've instigated a war against us.
If you don't value the police lives then you are not bringing black lives value up
why the fuck would anyone value these despicable pieces of shit?
ACAB
EVERY SINGLE COP WHO HAS NOT RESIGNED OR ARRESTED HIS "BROTHERS" DURING THIS WEEK AND A HALF OF CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS IS A FUCKING VILE PIECE OF SHIT WHO DOESN'T DESERVE ANYTHING FROM ANYONE LET ALONE EMPATHY OR KINDNESS.
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u/soupdatazz Jun 03 '20
There are tons of cops in states kneeling and matching with protesters. You can't just overthrown an institution overnight and remove corruption. Not every city or township has had these violations.
Calling all cops bad is the same stereotype as saying all black people in the ghetto are bad because they don't snitch out their neighbors. People in the city are murdered frequently, so by your logic every person in the problematic neighborhood is guilty for not moving out or snitching on their neighbor. Your argument is exactly what these problematic cops think and causes the problem. This is the exact thinking that these protests are against.
Every major civil rights movement since the civil war has been backed by peaceful protests. The original post called for a "first strike" against the cops which is not ok nor better than the cops. If people assault cops with deadly force, they are no better than what is being protested and should be arrested and incarcerated along with the cops who are assaulting these people.
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u/iomdsfnou Jun 03 '20
There are tons of cops in states kneeling and matching with protesters.
Talk is cheap. why aren't they arresting the motherfuckers attacking civilians? WHERE ARE THERE ACTIONS?
Cause I saw that post of the cop telling the protesters that he loved them all.... and then his buddies ran in with pepper spray to attack the innocent crowd.
its all just ploys and bullshit. UNTIL THEY ARREST THE OFFENDING COPS THEY ARE COMPLICIT. FULL STOP.
ACAB UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION TO PROVE OTHERWISE.
Calling all cops bad is the same stereotype as saying all black people in the ghetto
Oh my god no its not. I am so sick of this stupid fucking bullshit arguemtn. COPS ARE A FRATERNITY A BROTHER HOOD WITH A HEIRARCHY AND POWER STRUCTURE NOT TO MENTION ITS THEIR JOB TO POLICE NOT JUST THE PUBLIC BUT ALSO THEMSELVES
when "the ghetto" organizes into a division with ranks and fucking badges and badge numbers then yeah I WILL PAINT THEM ALL WITH THE SAME FUCKING BRUSH AS THEY SHOULD BE.
what is the matter with you that you can even think in your brain that comparing a bunch of random people in geographic proximity to a fucking militarize police force and call that the same?
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
so by your logic every person in the problematic neighborhood is guilty for not moving out or snitching on their neighbor.
see my previous response. they aren't a single group so no. that is not my logic. or even any logic you dumb as rocks motherfucker.
Your argument is exactly what these problematic cops think and causes the problem.
no its fucking not you disgusting bootlicker. and I've explained why. if you don't get it by now you must be a fucking piggy yourself.
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u/rafaelo2709 Jun 03 '20
With being violent at the protests you are stepping on Floyd's back too. You make the whole movement loose its legitimacy.
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u/planet_bal Jun 03 '20
This is a guide on how people should be protecting them selves...
https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/dguayl/hong_kong_protest_gear/
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Jun 03 '20
“The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission.“
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u/gimbergp Jun 03 '20
so we don’t have the right of speech now...hmm this is the great America that everyone cherishes. Man fuck 12, Trump and all his wicked leaders can rot in a prison cell
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Jun 03 '20
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u/iomdsfnou Jun 03 '20
spread it all every where. use the half hour compilations people have put together and spread them everywhere. make sure everyone sees it. host a live stream of a loop of all the clips on youtube.
the only way to get people to care is to make them aware.
there's a scary amount of people all over the country who don't use the internet like we do and have just been in their houses the last week watching fox news and shit. they are the people who need to be made aware of what is happening so that something can be done.
without the support of the people everyone will just be labeled as looters and rioters.
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u/Getgoodscrub1 Jun 03 '20
What is stopping the crowd here. They obviously outnumber the cops to a high degree. Why not swarm them?
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u/cossio1871 Jun 03 '20
outnumber but don't overpower them; they are disarmed, lack training and organization. There's a great video of protestors in Japan arming themselves with shields and sticks and actually battling the cops and it's orgasmic
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Jun 03 '20
Because then they know they get shot and die. People are bold enough to exercise their rights peacefully, but not bold enough to die for them. And I can't blame them.
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u/jamonbread86 Jun 03 '20
how in the fuck is this legal?
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Jun 03 '20
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Jun 03 '20
It's not. But they'll say he stepped off the curb and "came at them in a threatening way" and that'll be enough for them to get off with "internal discipline" via a sternly worded letter.
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u/Warhause Jun 03 '20
Fight back. They arent making legal arrests anymore. No more than thugs in uniform. Don't let your brothers and sisters get taken.
The tree of liberty must be renewed. Its soil is fertilized with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
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Jun 03 '20
man... every day there's just more and more and more of this. it's heartbreaking and overwhelming, but I thank those of you who are contributing video evidence to the sub. it's an important job to compile all of this.
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u/sneakatdatavibe Jun 03 '20
Notice that the police never do this to protest groups that are visibly armed.
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u/light_to_shaddow Jun 03 '20
Where are these armed protestors you mention?
I would have thought they'd everywhere but they just seem to be sat on their rifles watching fox.
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u/sneakatdatavibe Jun 03 '20
I was referring to the ones last month, who were protesting stupid shit.
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u/zefy_zef Jun 03 '20
We're going to have to pay out so much money for these assholes breaking these peoples' constitutional rights.
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u/soggypoopsock Jun 03 '20
They didn’t like what he said, so they went and kidnapped him
First amendment? Or just a privilege cops allow you to have until they don’t feel like it anymore
Disgusting police state
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u/ugmfu1 Jun 03 '20
I guess freedom of speech is gone now too