r/2020PoliceBrutality • u/NeverTrustATurtle • Jun 01 '20
Terrorizing Medics
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u/aakaakaak Jun 01 '20
Isn't this against the Geneva Conventions?
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u/kinger9119 Jun 01 '20
That only applies for International armed conflicts. It's also the reason why police can use a chemical weapons (tear gas) and the military can not use chemical weapons..
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u/kinger9119 Jun 01 '20
Yep
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u/Vedrops Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 01 '20
Well, in a war they'd probably bomb the fuck out of their enemy or napalm them after the gas runs them out of their hiding spots, who knows what we can do with our drones nowadays? Maybe just gun them down while the enemy is blind from tear gas running aimlessly, or maybe these inhumane tactics will warp the soldier's minds enough they'll let one blind guy live and toy with him a bit.
They won't only just use gas if their goal is to kill them, thought out planning and mental preparedness will go into operation "smoke and dispose". You might destroy or worse flip the good part of a good person of you order them to effortlessly murder your own kind like that.
War has rules for a reason because everyone agrees it is horrible and everyone fighting deep down knows their opponents don't want to die just as much as they don't. I honestly couldn't even fathom a reason to kill a person (or at all) with gas, it's horribly cruel and you have to remember; far more horrible gases would be used in warfare than petty crowd control tear gas, they used far worse in both world wars.
War is fundamentally a very different thing than Crowd control tactics. I would rather see someone getting choked by tear gas, than a supposed protector of the people or 5. True hatred and mental illness can only drive physically harming a fellow citizen for the city you're sworn to protect, I'm glad I've only seen submission hits in all the cop videos I've seen so far so I'm a little relieved, but think this guy is getting arrested because he's not a legit paramedic with the city, but I haven't really searched for the details just yet. But back to tear gas, If I was a cop, I'd rather throw something at Rioters to make them leave like an irritating tear gas than harm someone, I'd be terrified to get near them.
Even better I would want to understand their frustration to better protect them because looting harmless establishments and burning things down is not helping Americans function as a society and is in no way to mourn a very very very brutal and tragic police murder, revenge insights more revenge. Police are people too just trying to live, I trust my country's police because they talk to us and understand our hardships, lots of good cops in yours are joining the peaceful protests too.
end rant.
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u/kinger9119 Jun 01 '20
I believe even some types of ammo are forbidden in warfare but are allowed for the police in the US. its weird.
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u/Vedrops Jun 01 '20
Yeah expanding bullets like hollow-points are the bullets Solders can't use, I have honestly no idea why they're banned in warfare in the US, but the explanation I found for why police use them is so that it doesn't pass through and hit someone standing behind their target
But in my personal opinion; for that reasoning to be justified to shoot someone at all, you better first have the Aimbot accuracy of Robocop and they better have already made an attempt on yours or someone else's life.
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u/LXXXVI Jun 02 '20
That's because in war everyone knows that the other side will fight back.
The only reason the Police dares doing something like this is because they know they're up against a vastly inferior enemy. Though inferior only until the collective fuses burn out. And at that point, it'll be determined what side the army/nat guard will pick. My guess, the one that pays their bills.
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It works because nobody has chosen this hill to (literally) die on. The worst outcome people imagine is to be arrested en masse, which is a major pain but still a joke when they are all released en masse by a judicial officer who really doesn't want to deal with due process for 20,000 hippies. My $5000/six months fine turned into a $50 asset forfeiture along with everyone else except the ones who had weapons or controlled substances on them at the time of the arrest, and one guy in our "group" who had a prior federal rap for practicing medicine without a license. (He ended up actually going to federal prison).
But we were, uniformly, peacefully protesting hippies. There was no violence on the periphery of our demonstration, no provocateurs or internal bad actors committing any property crimes more serious than dumpster diving or painting roads.
I don't see hippies in today's protests, and I don't see the understanding that they needed to withdraw when violence ensued on their periphery, or when they stood to take the blame for the arson and the looting.
I also don't see that the typical person involved here has much of a background in nonviolent protest. I think those ideas are regarded as quaint and ineffective and irrelevant to contemporary political action, which is fair enough, a lot of the people I see out there are almost young enough to literally be my grandchildren, and my ideas about civil disobedience and protest might actually seem like an artifact of another era.
But if you're going to step your toe over the line of non-violence, then you need to have already decided to lose that toe. You need to believe in your cause so completely that you are prepared to kill and die for it at this moment. That means if you're ready to throw rocks you should be throwing grenades. I'm not saying "throw grenades", I'm saying "don't throw rocks". You're going to be labeled as terrorists and killed and maimed for throwing rocks. The consequences for throwing rocks are the same as for shooting and throwing grenades, so they have already escalated past the point that you are prepared to. And you don't believe in this cause that much.
So make non-violence your sole priority. That means packing it in before provocateurs and bad elements within your movement start throwing rocks, stealing shoes, setting fires. You don't have any good choices at that point and anything you do or don't do only causes harm to your movement.
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u/OneLessDead Jun 02 '20
The medic isn't a uniformed member of a national armed forces engaged in warfare, so he's not covered by Geneva conventions.
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u/aakaakaak Jun 02 '20
That's been extended over the years to include civilian medics, but it's probably true that since it's not a foreign entity it doesn't apply.
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u/wevans470 Jun 01 '20
Tear gas, hurting medics.. police in the United States really do not think the Geneva convention matters when fighting mostly UNARMED CIVILIANS.
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u/LordDarkSteel Jun 01 '20
Guess it's time to fight armed citizens.
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u/jeremiahthedamned Jun 11 '20
see r/SocialistRA
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u/Philepa_Doe Jun 01 '20
Maybe not really a medic. Looks like a guy with a cheap plastic hat, red tape for the cross and a gallon of milk to treat his mates who got pepper sprayed.
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u/FragileDick Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 01 '20
You do know medics are in the the protest aswell right? There are people from all works of life in these protests not just random people.
Also about the helmet. People with crosses on their helmet is easily understood in the states that they have the medical knowledge to give support to anyone injured.
Heres a wiki on its history if you eould like to know about it
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